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Originally posted by lebowski
The health care system is often touted by many analysts as one of the Castro government's greatest achievements. What this analysis ignores is that the revolutionary government inherited an already-advanced health sector when it took power in 1959.
Castro has done doodly-squat.
Rubbish. Try looking at the facts.

From the BBC: If you want quick proof of how well all this works, consider Cuba's health indicators.

Its life expectancy and infant mortality rates are pretty much the same as the USA's. Its doctor-to-patient ratios stand comparison to any country in Western Europe.

Its annual total health spend per head, however, comes in at $251; just over a tenth of the UK's.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5232628.stm - 51k - Aug 3, 2006

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Originally posted by no1marauder
but it hardly shows that Cuba is a brutal, Stalinist dictatorship. .
I already said that.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Rubbish. Try looking at the facts.
I did, now it's your turn. Just google "pre-castro cuba" and educate yourself. Before castro cuba was one of the most advanced latin american countries, now it's one of the most primitive.

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Originally posted by lebowski
I did, now it's your turn. Just google "pre-castro cuba" and educate yourself. Before castro cuba was one of the most advanced latin american countries, now it's one of the most primitive.
Baloney. Look at the numbers in my edit above.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Baloney. Look at the numbers in my edit above.
ok fine maurader stay ignorant, your mind is made up i can see, you don't want to be confused with a lot of facts

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No, maurader is right....things in cuba are great under Castro...so great that there have only been 638 assassination attempts on his life since he's taken over. What's that, like 15 or 20 a year? He's very popular with the people.

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Originally posted by General Putzer
No, maurader is right....things in cuba are great under Castro...so great that there have only been 638 assassination attempts on his life since he's taken over. What's that, like 15 or 20 a year? He's very popular with the people.
Not the people in the CIA.

I saw his May Day speech on C-SPAN 2 a couple of years ago. There were about two million people in the audience. The front row was about 20 feet from the dais where Castro was speaking. There were a few security guards around, but nothing like when an American President speaks. If he was so hated by the people, they could have torn him to pieces.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Not the people in the CIA.

I saw his May Day speech on C-SPAN 2 a couple of years ago. There were about two million people in the audience. The front row was about 20 feet from the dais where Castro was speaking. There were a few security guards around, but nothing like when an American President speaks. If he was so hated by the people, they could have torn him to pieces.
oh god marauder you can't have it both ways now you're claiming he goes freely into crowds of TWO MILLION with almost no security, even though people have tried to kill him 638 times....jebus....talk about an Orwellian double-think....you are a good example of what happens to people when they start yabbering about how great communism is, you become loony in the ability to accept contradictory, opposing thoughts and accept them both simultaneously.
ENOUGH! This thread is now dead.

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Originally posted by General Putzer
oh god marauder you can't have it both ways now you're claiming he goes freely into crowds of TWO MILLION with almost no security, even though people have tried to kill him 638 times....jebus....talk about an Orwellian double-think....you are a good example of what happens to people when they start yabbering about how great communism is, you become lo ...[text shortened]... , opposing thoughts and accept them both simultaneously.
ENOUGH! This thread is now dead.
Reality is a complex thing with varying shades of gray. There have been many attempts to assassinate Castro. True. Yet he seems to have no fear of the Cuban people. Also true. Perhaps he lacks the cowardice and contempt for the average person that our "leaders" display. And his personal courage is beyond question; he led his forces in combat and in some of those battles most of those around him were killed.

Sorry that having two thoughts in your head causes it to explode.

Lincoln refused heightened security because he said "it I am to be killed, than so be it". Not everybody in the world values their own self-preservation above all else.

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Originally posted by Ullr
I already said that.
The post wasn't directed solely at you. We'll never know what would have happened if the US government had simply accepted the modest programs Castro adopted like agarian land reform in 1959. Although these may have been to the detriment of a few rich Americans, the country should look at more than what favors the fat cats. Probably if the US government hadn't been so unremittingly hostile and aggressive to Castro, any repression would have been far less and the human rights situation better. I guess we'll never know.

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Hmmmmm....to survive 638 attempts on his life, Castro must have a huge and very sophisticated security service. Has any ruler in history ever had that many? The number is obviously bogus, which makes everything else they claimed suspect.
By the way, marauder, is it legal to own firearms in cuba like it is in the US? Think that may have something to do with the security precautions our presidents have to take?

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Originally posted by JokerFive
[ By the way, marauder, is it legal to own firearms in cuba like it is in the US? Think that may have something to do with the security precautions our presidents have to take?[/b]
It's not legal to own anything in cuba, it's a worker's paradise.

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Originally posted by JokerFive
Hmmmmm....to survive 638 attempts on his life, Castro must have a huge and very sophisticated security service. Has any ruler in history ever had that many? The number is obviously bogus, which makes everything else they claimed suspect.
By the way, marauder, is it legal to own firearms in cuba like it is in the US? Think that may have something to do with the security precautions our presidents have to take?
Most rulers in history haven't been around for 47 years. Perhaps 638 is an exaggeration but it is clear that there have been many plots and schemes to kill Castro, many of them coming from the fertile minds of the CIA.

Cuba has a million man Territorial Militia that I don't think is armed with sling shots.

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you say that Cuba has a good health system?how about the fact that when my uncle lost an eye trying to fix a sofa he had to drive hiself
50 miles to a hospital because of the lack of an available ambulane
or have you seen the hospitlas in cuba lately.

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

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cuban army? 4 working mig 29s lol

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