Originally posted by ivanhoeBBC analysis. "The need for a new start" part seemed thougthful.
You blame Georgia don't you ? ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7557915.stm
May be this will give some food for thought:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7559270.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7560644.stm
Originally posted by ivanhoeI "blame" Georgia for escalating the situation if by "blame" you mean recognizing that they did escalate the situation by a disproportionate response to what seems to have been fairly routine occurrences. I "blame" Russia for their own response which further escalated the situation and led to many more deaths. I "blame" the Western powers for their intervention in Kosovo which could be reasonably construed by the Russians as furnishing a precedent under international law for military intervention in South Ossetia.
You blame Georgia don't you ? ...
Originally posted by infomast"They all have overt anti-Russian goals"
1) The exchange of fire between Ossetians and Georgians have been going on for years with various intensity. You can pick the guilty party according to your political beliefs. The real escalation appears to occur a week before the war. Russian papers reported it and sounded concerned. The West didn't pay any attention at least in its mass media. The Ossetia ...[text shortened]... eed to destroy military depots, military installations and all other military hardware.
What are these anti-Russian goals ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeInfomast, do you have any idea what these "steps of a different nature" could be ?
The Russian threat followed by an enigmatic appendix:
"Russia will take steps aimed at ensuring its interests along its borders and these will not only be military steps, but also steps of a different nature"[9].
Well, we've witnessed the militairy steps Russia "promised" and now I'm curious to see what these "steps of a different nature" turn out to be.
Anybody any ideas ? Maybe Infomast ?[/b]
Originally posted by no1marauderKosovo is a different kettle of fish, although I admit that this was a hard piece to swollow for our Serbian friends and their Russian allies. The Russians may be using this, especially in the context of the propaganda aimed at their own population, as a pretext for their illegal militairy adventures elsewhere.
I "blame" Georgia for escalating the situation if by "blame" you mean recognizing that they did escalate the situation by a disproportionate response to what seems to have been fairly routine occurrences. I "blame" Russia for their own response which further escalated the situation and led to many more deaths. I "blame" the Western powers for their inte ...[text shortened]... rnishing a precedent under international law for military intervention in South Ossetia.
Originally posted by ivanhoeYeah, just had a chat with General Baluyevski (he's already retired, you know) and posed this question straight at him. He's not much of a diplomat, so he couldn't really hide his true intentions.
Infomast, do you have any idea what these "steps of a different nature" could be ?
Infomast, he said, the secret proposal was to rename Georgia into New Mexico and forced those SOBs to learn Spanish as a punishment.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIllegality in international conflict has become a joke.
Kosovo is a different kettle of fish, although I admit that this was a hard piece to swollow for our Serbian friends and their Russian allies. The Russians may be using this, especially in the context of the propaganda aimed at their own population, as a pretext for their illegal militairy adventures elsewhere.
What with us boming Serbia in the 1990's, phoney wars against Iraq and the whole Kosovo debacle.
One eats what one harvests.
Originally posted by infomastMaybe you should talk to Colonel General Anatoly Nogovitsin. I'm sure he kwows what his predecessor meant by threatening Georgia, not just with militairy actions but also with "steps of a different nature"
Yeah, just had a chat with General Baluyevski (he's already retired, you know) and posed this question straight at him. He's not much of a diplomat, so he couldn't really hide his true intentions.
Infomast, he said, the secret proposal was to rename Georgia into New Mexico and forced those SOBs to learn Spanish as a punishment.
General Baluyevski: "Russia will take steps aimed at ensuring its interests along its borders and these will not only be military steps, but also steps of a different nature".
Making "jokes" about the current situation is very weak indeed, infomast.
I saw this coming from day one of this conflict:
The Kremlin moved swiftly to tighten its grip on Georgia’s breakaway regions yesterday as South Ossetia announced that it would soon become part of Russia, which will open military bases in the province under an agreement to be signed on Tuesday.
Tarzan Kokoity, the province’s Deputy Speaker of parliament, announced that South Ossetia would be absorbed into Russia soon so that its people could live in “one united Russian state” with their ethnic kin in North Ossetia.
The declaration came only three days after Russia defied international criticism and recognised South Ossetia and Georgia’s other separatist region of Abkhazia as independent states.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4635843.ece