Originally posted by infomastI take it you don't have satellite TV? You must live in the dark ages. It's all there for your viewing enjoyment.
Just a few facts that are undisputable by all accounts:
It was Georgia that attacked first. It was Georgia that bombed the civilians in the Ossetian capital. The Ossetian civilian casualties and damage to the civilian structures are incomparably higher than those of Georgia.
The Western press (as it usually does when speaking of Russia) completely dis ...[text shortened]... do net get any coverage in the West, while Saakashvili and his ministers become regulars on CNN.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes. You obviously missed the part about the humanitarian supplies being delivered by the US military.
He's giving humanitarian supplies and having their troops shipped home, that's all so far. Unless I missed something...
Probably a small detail, but one which equally probably won't be over-looked by regional observers...
Originally posted by shavixmirOh, my mistake, I thought we were using Russian transports. Either that or UPS. Wow! Thanks for letting me know.
Yes. You obviously missed the part about the humanitarian supplies being delivered by the US military.
Probably a small detail, but one which equally probably won't be over-looked by regional observers...
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIf there's no other option other than US military transports, then Mr. Bush wouldn't have needed to point it out so clearly, would he?
Oh, my mistake, I thought we were using Russian transports. Either that or UPS. Wow! Thanks for letting me know.
Less of your sarcasm and more of your intelligence please.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe answer to the question of who attacked first and with what intensity is of a paramount importance. It determines who is the agressor and who is the victim. And the victim has the right of self-defense and the moral high ground.
Western media is biased as is Russian media; no surprise there. That there have been civilian casualties in Georgia, including South Ossetia, is undisputed. Where there have been more is a disputed point, but one of little importance.
Saying that anyway, every side is biased, corrupt and cynical in some measure does not advance justice. I have access to both Russian and Western sources and personally consider Russian coverage as fair.
As one example, immediately after the whole thing started and Russian press reported around 1,500 dead in shelling of Tskhinvali,
the headlines in the West were something like this: "Russian columns of tanks moving into Georgian territory. 1,500 reported dead in fighting" - if this isn't the distortion of truth then what is?
Originally posted by infomastI see Russian troops have headed into Gori, can you explain that little violation of the ceasefire ?
Just a few facts that are undisputable by all accounts:
It was Georgia that attacked first. It was Georgia that bombed the civilians in the Ossetian capital. The Ossetian civilian casualties and damage to the civilian structures are incomparably higher than those of Georgia.
The Western press (as it usually does when speaking of Russia) completely dis ...[text shortened]... do net get any coverage in the West, while Saakashvili and his ministers become regulars on CNN.
Originally posted by infomastWho attacked what? From what I can see, Georgia moved troops into its own territory to defeat a separatist group who's right to control South Ossetia is not recognized by any country, including Russia. Russia was not a "victim", was not being attacked and thus has no right to self-defense and certainly no moral high ground.
The answer to the question of who attacked first and with what intensity is of a paramount importance. It determines who is the agressor and who is the victim. And the victim has the right of self-defense and the moral high ground.
Saying that anyway, every side is biased, corrupt and cynical in some measure does not advance justice. I have access to bot ...[text shortened]... itory. 1,500 reported dead in fighting" - if this isn't the distortion of truth then what is?
Originally posted by no1marauderI don't think I can change your mind but equally Im not about to change mine. I can only repeat that 1) for more than 15 years not some small number of separatists but the entire Ossetian nation were seeking Russian protection from Georgia; 2) in the war of 92-94, 2 to 4 thousand Ossetians were killed by Georgia and that is considered an act of genocide in Ossetia; 3) 15 Russian peacekeepers legally placed in Tskhinvali were killed in the first hours of assault. Had they been withdrawn we would've witnessed a complete slaughter of the population. What other option was there?
Who attacked what? From what I can see, Georgia moved troops into its own territory to defeat a separatist group who's right to control South Ossetia is not recognized by any country, including Russia. Russia was not a "victim", was not being attacked and thus has no right to self-defense and certainly no moral high ground.
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What are we discussing here, people, come on!?!? This debate is useless! The facts are on the table and the history is against Russia.
Russia is an imperialistic, cold blooded nation historically led by violent bastards who already masscred its own people, then jews, then Eastern Europeans, and will keep exercizing its muscle everytime it gets the chance to do so.
American imperialism at least obeys the logic of business. Russia does as well, but with the dangerous "plus" of an arrogant sense of superiority.
I say we send them back all the Russian prostitutes across the brothels of Europe, so they drown in their own AIDS! lol
Originally posted by SeitseHey! Americans are superior too! ðŸ˜
What are we discussing here, people, come on!?!? This debate is useless! The facts are on the table and the history is against Russia.
Russia is an imperialistic, cold blooded nation historically led by violent bastards who already masscred its own people, then jews, then Eastern Europeans, and will keep exercizing its muscle everytime it gets the chance t ...[text shortened]... ll the Russian prostitutes across the brothels of Europe, so they drown in their own AIDS! lol
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungWe should work on a comic with a superhero like that, you know.
We're made up of the dregs of every other nation. Supermutts to the rescue!
The worst from each major stereotypes melted in one single character, who is trying to save the world from the pure master race.
😵
Originally posted by infomastA) What the Ossetians were seeking is independence. Since they didn't have that, Russia has no more business "protecting" Ossetians living in Georgia than Georgia or the US would have have protecting Chechen's in Russia;
I don't think I can change your mind but equally Im not about to change mine. I can only repeat that 1) for more than 15 years not some small number of separatists but the entire Ossetian nation were seeking Russian protection from Georgia; 2) in the war of 92-94, 2 to 4 thousand Ossetians were killed by Georgia and that is considered an act of genocide in ...[text shortened]... awn we would've witnessed a complete slaughter of the population. What other option was there?
B) A few thousand killed in a civil war is not genocide by any reasonable definition;
C) The Russian "peacekeepers" had been told to leave by the government that had sovereignty over the territory. "Complete slaughter of the population"???? Please stop the hysterics.