Originally posted by shavixmirMay i ask what is so ominus about military transports? The supplies are coming from Halliburton. Do you think the US is escalating the war? Is your heiny beginning to pucker up?
If there's no other option other than US military transports, then Mr. Bush wouldn't have needed to point it out so clearly, would he?
Less of your sarcasm and more of your intelligence please.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Grab your hat and grab you gun.
They'll be waiting on you door step.
Just direct you feet to the Russkie side of the street.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869It's a rather provocative act to put US military personnel into a war zone, don't you think? Suppose some get killed in a bombing? We'd be on the brink of WW III for the supposed purpose of shipping "humanitarian supplies"?? Civilian planes could handle that job.
May i ask what is so ominus about military transports? The supplies are coming from Halliburton. Do you think the US is escalating the war? Is your heiny beginning to pucker up?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Grab your hat and grab you gun.
They'll be waiting on you door step.
Just direct you feet to the Russkie side of the street.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by no1marauderThere are already 1000 US military personnel in Georgia. They have been there training Georgian troops who have been fighting for the US in Iraq. Maybe the military transports are just a little signal to Russia to leave the US troops alone, if not we will destroy the entire Russian fleet in the waters around Georgia. It would be a duck shoot. We'd be sinking their ships from a hundred miles away. I don't want any of this to take place.
It's a rather provocative act to put US military personnel into a war zone, don't you think? Suppose some get killed in a bombing? We'd be on the brink of WW III for the supposed purpose of shipping "humanitarian supplies"?? Civilian planes could handle that job.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869The info I have is that there are 127 US trainers in Georgia and they are far removed from the area of fighting. http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63921&archive=true
There are already 1000 US military personnel in Georgia. They have been there training Georgian troops who have been fighting for the US in Iraq. Maybe the military transports are just a little signal to Russia to leave the US troops alone, if not we will destroy the entire Russian fleet in the waters around Georgia. It would be a duck shoot. We'd be sinking their ships from a hundred miles away. I don't want any of this to take place.
GRANNY.
That's a bit different from bringing troops into an airport that's already been bombed.
Originally posted by no1marauderWho said they're bringing troops into an airport.? That would be insane! I thought they were bringing relief supplies ( food, Shelter ) by cargo ships thru a Georgia port. If the Russian want to blockade the ports there will be trouble. Do you think this is Bush's Gulf of Tonkin?
The info I have is that there are 127 US trainers in Georgia and they are far removed from the area of fighting. http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63921&archive=true
That's a bit different from bringing troops into an airport that's already been bombed.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869According to the VOA, one C-17 with supplies landed today and another is scheduled for tomorrow. Also a 12 man military team was landed to "assess humanitarian needs".🙄 http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-08-13-voa40.cfm
Who said they're bringing troops into an airport.? That would be insane! I thought they were bringing relief supplies ( food, Shelter ) by cargo ships thru a Georgia port. If the Russian want to blockade the ports there will be trouble. Do you think this is Bush's Gulf of Tonkin?
GRANNY.
GW is probably thinking (assuming that is possible) it's more of his "Berlin airlift". I tend to agree with you that putting these soldiers in harm's way is meant to discourage the Russians from continuing the air strikes, but that seems like a lot of risk for very little benefit.
Originally posted by no1marauderCan there be any doubt that the US knew about Georgia going into Ossetia, and they didn't think the Russians would attack?
According to the VOA, one C-17 with supplies landed today and another is scheduled for tomorrow. Also a 12 man military team was landed to "assess humanitarian needs".🙄 http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-08-13-voa40.cfm
GW is probably thinking (assuming that is possible) it's more of his "Berlin airlift". I tend to agree with you tha ...[text shortened]... rom continuing the air strikes, but that seems like a lot of risk for very little benefit.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869It's possible that Georgia assumed that the US would do more to shield it and went ahead with the operation without US knowledge. But the fact that the US, Georgia and the Ukraine just completed joint military exercises on the Russian border looks suspicious to me. Imagine how the sequence of events looked to Putin.
Can there be any doubt that the US knew about Georgia going into Ossetia, and they didn't think the Russians would attack?
GRANNY.
Originally posted by no1marauderQuite dispassionate on your side.
A) What the Ossetians were seeking is independence. Since they didn't have that, Russia has no more business "protecting" Ossetians living in Georgia than Georgia or the US would have have protecting Chechen's in Russia;
B) A few thousand killed in a civil war is not genocide by any reasonable definition;
C) The Russian "peacekeepers" had been told ...[text shortened]... ver the territory. "Complete slaughter of the population"???? Please stop the hysterics.
a) How can a nation achieve independence from another nation? Ossetians have their own language, well defined territory which they occupied for sufficiently long time, recent history of bloody conflicts with Georgia, self governance for the last 15 years. What else do they need? Please, advise them. Or should we let them give in and face the consequences.
b) I thought the charges against Saddam Husein were for a genocide against one or a few villages. For a small nation, 4 thousands killed affects every family.
c) Wasn't there enough examples in history of one nation overrunning another and taking revenge on everyone in sight? What do you think of a president giving orders to bomb an entire city full of supposedly his own citizens? Should they just kiss and make up with him afterwards?
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Originally posted by infomastWell, you write a Declaration of Independence, then you fight the old nation with third party support, and then the old nation decides you're too much of a hassle and lets you go.
Quite dispassionate on your side.
a) How can a nation achieve independence from another nation? Ossetians have their own language, well defined territory which they occupied for sufficiently long time, recent history of bloody conflicts with Georgia, self governance for the last 15 years. What else do they need? Please, advise them. Or should we let them g ity full of supposedly his own citizens? Should they just kiss and make up with him afterwards?
That's how our forefathers did it anyway.
Originally posted by smw6869I think you're probably touching the core of the problem there, my friend.
There are already 1000 US military personnel in Georgia. They have been there training Georgian troops who have been fighting for the US in Iraq. Maybe the military transports are just a little signal to Russia to leave the US troops alone, if not we will destroy the entire Russian fleet in the waters around Georgia. It would be a duck shoot. We'd be sinking their ships from a hundred miles away. I don't want any of this to take place.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by infomastA) Then how come your nation i.e. Russia doesn't recognize South Ossetian independence?;
Quite dispassionate on your side.
a) How can a nation achieve independence from another nation? Ossetians have their own language, well defined territory which they occupied for sufficiently long time, recent history of bloody conflicts with Georgia, self governance for the last 15 years. What else do they need? Please, advise them. Or should we let them g ...[text shortened]... ity full of supposedly his own citizens? Should they just kiss and make up with him afterwards?
B) I think he was charged with a Crime against Humanity for reprisal killings for an assassination attempt. Whether the number killed affects every family in some way or other is still irrelevant to whether genocide has been committed. The word "genocide" is thrown around routinely these days every time a regime that someone doesn't like attempts to put down a rebellion or separatist movement; I'm sure Abe Lincoln would have been accused of "genocide" if the word existed back then.
C) I can't think of any recent examples of one nation slaughtering the entire population of another nation (of course, South Ossetia isn't a nation). Your statement remains fantastic hyperbole. And you don't seem very concerned about the Russian bombing of Georgian cities and the civilian deaths that caused.
Originally posted by no1marauderC) Rwanda came pretty close.
A) Then how come your nation i.e. Russia doesn't recognize South Ossetian independence?;
B) I think he was charged with a Crime against Humanity for reprisal killings for an assassination attempt. Whether the number killed affects every family in some way or other is still irrelevant to whether genocide has been committed. The word "genocide" is throw ...[text shortened]... rned about the Russian bombing of Georgian cities and the civilian deaths that caused.
Originally posted by no1maraudera) I take it to be your advice for them. If so, this is what might take place now. Before they were bound by the territorial integrity considerations. Now, the Kosovo precedent and this conflict tip the scales.
A) Then how come your nation i.e. Russia doesn't recognize South Ossetian independence?;
B) I think he was charged with a Crime against Humanity for reprisal killings for an assassination attempt. Whether the number killed affects every family in some way or other is still irrelevant to whether genocide has been committed. The word "genocide" is throw ...[text shortened]... rned about the Russian bombing of Georgian cities and the civilian deaths that caused.
b) At precisely what body count does the genocide begin? Anyway, the point was the recent history makes their coexistance within the same country highly problematic.
c) Substitute "nation" with "nationality" and recall Hutus vs Tutsies in Africa, Croats vs Serbians vs Muslims in Yugoslavia.
The Russian bombings in Georgia were a military response to an agressor. They didn't target civil buildings at all. Some misses are possible but they weren't intentional. Some of the Gori pictures shown in the West were identified as being taken in Tskinvali. Georgians as a nation and as individuals are well regarded in Russia and there is no underlying hatre.
Originally posted by infomastLOL! Even if some were, the majority were not. What is supposed to be your claim here? That all the media from the west is out to get Russia? Don't be ridiculous.
Some of the Gori pictures shown in the West were identified as being taken in Tskinvali. Georgians as a nation and as individuals are well regarded in Russia and there is no underlying hatre.
It seems to me you keep burying your uncritical head in the sand and live happily believing your government's motives are somehow pure. Even as they claim that a UN agreement is 'not important'. Do you also believe pravda.ru's reports about aliens and paranormal events? It wouldn't surprise me.