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Governments... Legal vs Moral

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@Earl-of-Trumps

For the same reason you should be able to go watch a soccer game without having the homosexual flag lighting the stadium. You go to a soccer game to watch a soccer game, not to support homosexual relationships.

But Europe has no clue about a society that does not try to force morality of one sort or the other. People had to come to America to escape that mindset and create a society free of government oppression. Too bad the US has devolved back into a wanna be Euro state.


@eladar said
I guess the idea of being in control of your sexual urges is a bit beyond your comprehension.
Do you have sexual urges that involve men?
Why should someone who is gay control their sexual urges to a greater extent than someone who is straight? Your not making any sense.
Your morality is your own and you should live by that code but you cannot demand or coerce others to live by your idiosyncratic moral code. That’s why we like to separate church from state.


@kevcvs57 said
Do you have sexual urges that involve men?
Why should someone who is gay control their sexual urges to a greater extent than someone who is straight? Your not making any sense.
Your morality is your own and you should live by that code but you cannot demand or coerce others to live by your idiosyncratic moral code. That’s why we like to separate church from state.
You are quite single minded. Do I have sexual urges for women other than my wife? Yes

You might say, hey you are married you can have sex with your wife. If you make this claim, you have not been married.


@earl-of-trumps said
Whoa whoa whoa, there.

Making gay movies like Broke Back Mountain, available to the open public as a matter of choice is a far cry
from forcing students to learn and favor a sexual philosophy. Please!!

And as a Libertarian, naturally, I think banning gay movies from bring available to the open public is likewise wrongful.
Everybody should be FREE to choose what they want. Why can't liberal nazis see it that way?
“ favor a sexual philosophy. Please!! ”
Your being economical with the truth here. No one is forcing anyone to “favour” homosexuality. They are being educated to the fact that it is a sexuality that exists just like heterosexuality.
Teaching children that gay people are human beings and they have the right to exist without prejudice is not indoctrinating them to be gay.
What you really crave is the indoctrination of children to see gay people through the same warped lens as yourself.


@eladar said
You are quite single minded. Do I have sexual urges for women other than my wife? Yes

You might say, hey you are married you can have sex with your wife. If you make this claim, you have not been married.
So you only have an issue with gay men who cheat on their gay partners? You really are looking stupid right now.
When you tell or condemn a gay man to not have sex with a man, you are condemning them to not have sex at all, ever.


@kevcvs57

All you need to teach is the basic idea that one does not force your views on others. That basic concept helps to create a free society. Trying to force people to believe something does just the opposite.

Teach people to allow for others to be different. Do not indoctrinate people as to what to believe. That is the difference between recognizing what is legal vs what is moral.

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@earl-of-trumps said
Whoa whoa whoa, there.

Making gay movies like Broke Back Mountain, available to the open public as a matter of choice is a far cry
from forcing students to learn and favor a sexual philosophy. Please!!

And as a Libertarian, naturally, I think banning gay movies from bring available to the open public is likewise wrongful.
Everybody should be FREE to choose what they want. Why can't liberal nazis see it that way?
So who is doing this forcing?

Forcing? Really?


See? It's true. All you guys have is fear. Fear of "the other".


@kevcvs57 said
So you only have an issue with gay men who cheat on their gay partners? You really are looking stupid right now.
When you tell or condemn a gay man to not have sex with a man, you are condemning them to not have sex at all, ever.
I am not condemning. I say let homosexuality be legal. It is fine with me.

I am fine with all sorts of sexual relationships which have been looked down upon. It is called freedom.

I am just saying do not take that extra step and try to tell people that there is nothing wrong or immoral with people who do such things. That extra step is teaching morality, which a government should never do.


@eladar said
@kevcvs57

All you need to teach is the basic idea that one does not force your views on others. That basic concept helps to create a free society. Trying to force people to believe something does just the opposite.

Teach people to allow for others to be different. Do not indoctrinate people as to what to believe. That is the difference between recognizing what is legal vs what is moral.
But by not informing children that there are gay people in the world your indoctrinating them by omission
I guess you mean different but not too different.
Teaching children to accept others might be different and that’s ok is exactly what the schools you hate are trying to do and exactly what the Hungarian and Russian governments are outlawing. That’s what the rainbow protest in Germany was about. Your all over the place here.


@kevcvs57 said
But by not informing children that there are gay people in the world your indoctrinating them by omission
I guess you mean different but not too different.
Teaching children to accept others might be different and that’s ok is exactly what the schools you hate are trying to do and exactly what the Hungarian and Russian governments are outlawing. That’s what the rainbow protest in Germany was about. Your all over the place here.
What a laugh. Are you saying that inorder for a person to be gay, the person must be taught in school about the option to be gay? Gay is taught?


@eladar said
@Earl-of-Trumps

For the same reason you should be able to go watch a soccer game without having the homosexual flag lighting the stadium. You go to a soccer game to watch a soccer game, not to support homosexual relationships.

But Europe has no clue about a society that does not try to force morality of one sort or the other. People had to come to America to escape t ...[text shortened]... society free of government oppression. Too bad the US has devolved back into a wanna be Euro state.
I agree. More and more Americans are allowing select "controllers" to form a more perfect totalitarian government.

And it SUCKS.


@kevcvs57 said
Do you have sexual urges that involve men?
Why should someone who is gay control their sexual urges to a greater extent than someone who is straight? Your not making any sense.
Your morality is your own and you should live by that code but you cannot demand or coerce others to live by your idiosyncratic moral code. That’s why we like to separate church from state.
This is ridiculous, Kev. You contradict yourself here.

You say Eladar has no right to force his sexual views on anyone, while standing up for the LBGTQ+ to do same.

What the FFFFFFFFF!


@suzianne said
So who is doing this forcing?

Forcing? Really?


See? It's true. All you guys have is fear. Fear of "the other".
Kids are FORCED to go to school. That's LAW.


Why is it that the concept of freedom is always talked about in absolutes ??
It needs to be understood that freedom is relative.
If you can't grasp that, try robbing a bank.


@mghrn55 said
Why is it that the concept of freedom is always talked about in absolutes ??
It needs to be understood that freedom is relative.
If you can't grasp that, try robbing a bank.
A liberal who admits to only allowing certain freedoms. That is refreshing.