Originally posted by Shonkytonkhey, answer this one, do you agree with this quote?
Hmmm that makes you feel safe? I'd reather go to the store and know NO-ONE has a gun!
"Guns dont kill, people does"
do you think that if you ban guns that a killer wont kill by useing anything other then guns?
1 edit
Originally posted by flyUnityYou’re assuming all murders are pre-meditated. And if someone was so determined to kill someone using a poisoned tipped cross bow, then nothing will stop them. What I’m saying, is that if two people had a disagreement, and they both had guns, well, you know what the result is going to be. Whereas if two people have a disagreement, and they don’t have guns, chances are, no one is going to die. If someone is a little hot under the collar, and they have a gun, they are more likely to use it. They are not going to walk home, go to the kitchen, get a knife, walk back and stab someone with it.
My brother bought a very tiny crossbow off the internet for like $5.00, so small that you can easy put it under your coat, and it is very powerful and deadly, and if one wants to make it even more deadly, you can make this poisen that if it get into your blood you die in like 1 minute. and put it on the arrow. its very small and simple, its like 8 inches lo ...[text shortened]... ey are sure to use somthing like that. and even if they do ban it, it is really easy to make one
"hey, answer this one, do you agree with this quote?
"Guns dont kill, people does""
People kill people, yes, but out of the following two groups, which one do you think will kill more people?
People with Guns, or People without Guns?
Cold hard simple fact, you're country has by far the highest murder per capita ratio of all modern nations.
1 edit
Murder Rates Per Capita
1. Colombia 0.61 per 1000 people
2. South Africa 0.49 per 1000 people
3. Jamaica 0.32 per 1000 people
4. Venezuela 0.31 per 1000 people
5. Russia 0.20 per 1000 people
6. Mexico 0.13 per 1000 people
7. Estonia 0.10 per 1000 people
8. Latvia 0.10 per 1000 people
9. Lithuania 0.10 per 1000 people
10. Belarus 0.09 per 1000 people
11. Ukraine 0.09 per 1000 people
12. Papua New Guinea 0.08 per 1000 people
13. Kyrgyzstan 0.08 per 1000 people
14. Thailand 0.07 per 1000 people
15. Moldova 0.07 per 1000 people
16. Seychelles 0.07 per 1000 people
17. Zimbabwe 0.07 per 1000 people
18. Zambia 0.07 per 1000 people
19. Costa Rica 0.06 per 1000 people
20. Poland 0.05 per 1000 people
21. Georgia 0.05 per 1000 people
22. Uruguay 0.04 per 1000 people
23. Bulgaria 0.04 per 1000 people
24. United States 0.04 per 1000 people
25. Armenia 0.04 per 1000 people
26. India 0.03 per 1000 people
27. Yemen 0.03 per 1000 people
28. Dominica 0.02 per 1000 people
29. Azerbaijan 0.02 per 1000 people
30. Finland 0.02 per 1000 people
31. Slovakia 0.02 per 1000 people
32. Romania 0.02 per 1000 people
33. Portugal 0.02 per 1000 people
34. Malaysia 0.02 per 1000 people
35. Macedonia 0.02 per 1000 people
36. Mauritius 0.02 per 1000 people
37. Hungary 0.02 per 1000 people
38. Korea, South 0.01 per 1000 people
39. Slovenia 0.01 per 1000 people
40. France 0.01 per 1000 people
41. Czech Republic 0.01 per 1000 people
42. Iceland 0.01 per 1000 people
43. Australia 0.01 per 1000 people
44. Canada 0.01 per 1000 people
45. Chile 0.01 per 1000 people
46. United Kingdom 0.01 per 1000 people
47. Italy 0.01 per 1000 people
48. Spain 0.01 per 1000 people
49. Germany 0.01 per 1000 people
50. Tunisia 0.01 per 1000 people
51. Netherlands 0.01 per 1000 people
52. New Zealand 0.01 per 1000 people
53. Denmark 0.01 per 1000 people
54. Norway 0.01 per 1000 people
55. Ireland 0.00 per 1000 people
56. Switzerland 0.00 per 1000 people
57. Indonesia 0.00 per 1000 people
58. Greece 0.00 per 1000 people
59. Hong Kong 0.00 per 1000 people
60. Japan 0.00 per 1000 people
61. Saudi Arabia 0.00 per 1000 people
62. Qatar 0.00 per 1000 people
Originally posted by flyUnityI see that you are from Wyoming and I imaginge that you hunt and spend quite a bit of time out of doors. Can you explain to me for what you might need an assault rifle? I doubt seriously that you are concerned with home invasion where you live, so maybe it is so you can defend yourself from the terrorists because Wyoming is such a high terror zone. I'm just asking because I feel that I can protect my house pretty well with the .12 gauge. As for hunting, well if you need an assault rifle to bring down an elk then I suggest you take up another activity.
oh, so why dont you ban swords? they kill dont they? also ban knives, ban model rocket populsions, I heard of somone recently that a guy snuck up behind a person with a pencil and put it through their eye right into the brain and killed him. Ban pencils, ban everything, that way you get more "freedom"
My idea of freedom is being able to do sports like ...[text shortened]... would use the Gun, if you didnt have a gun, you would use a knife,
Guns dont kill. people do
This question isn't just for you. It is for all of you that feel that assault rifles should be legal.
Why do you need assault rifles?
And the old "They are fun to shoot" arguement doesn't hold water. A lot of things that are fun are illegal.
Originally posted by CliffLandinIm not talking about assault rifles, I have no use for them, but isnt an assault gun mean that its a full automatic? Full automatics are already illegal to own.
I see that you are from Wyoming and I imaginge that you hunt and spend quite a bit of time out of doors. Can you explain to me for what you might need an assault rifle? I doubt seriously that you are concerned with home invasion where you live, so maybe it is so you can defend yourself from the terrorists because Wyoming is such a high terror zone. I'm ...[text shortened]... They are fun to shoot" arguement doesn't hold water. A lot of things that are fun are illegal.
I kindve agree that assault guns shouldnt be sold, but the only reason I would be againts banning it, would be because once the goverment starts banning guns, then they will just gradually keep banning more and more, untill they are all banned.
I know full automatic guns are already illegal, but I have some friends who turns semi automactics to full automatics,
Originally posted by CliffLandinlol Dont you know how fun it is to take down a whole herd of elk in a couple of sec's?
As for hunting, well if you need an assault rifle to bring down an elk then I suggest you take up another activity.
And here again, Its illegal to hunt with assault rifles in WY, So I have no use for them
Originally posted by flyUnityI see you are very much in favor of freedom. Good. Do you think a gay couple should have the freedom to marry?
Its not insecurity.. its called freedom.. here is the USA we value our freedoms unlike other countries who bans anything that is unsafe
People is gonna kill whether is using guns or a homemade knife, it just so happens that guns are the most conveniant, if you ban them, there will be other methods for people to kill, Guns dont kill, people does.
And ...[text shortened]... arths population without the use of a gun, which in fact proves that guns dont kill, people does
Originally posted by no1marauderI think that gay couple should have the freedom to be gay, and to go together,
I see you are very much in favor of freedom. Good. Do you think a gay couple should have the freedom to marry?
however Same-sex marriage would start us down a "slippery slope" towards legalized incest, bestial marriage, polygamy and all kinds of other horrible consequences, so I dont think they should be getting a "license". What do you think of the idea of somone getting a marriage license getting married to a horse so they can have lower taxes?
Like I said before, Im not againts the act.
anyway this is off topic, so if you want to take this further we can do it in another thread
Originally posted by flyUnityI’m sure the social consequences of marrying a horse will far outweigh the tax benefit.
I think that gay couple should have the freedom to be gay, and to go together,
however Same-sex marriage would start us down a "slippery slope" towards legalized incest, bestial marriage, polygamy and all kinds of other horrible consequences, so I dont think they should be getting a "license". What do you think of the idea of somone getting a marria ...[text shortened]...
anyway this is off topic, so if you want to take this further we can do it in another thread
What about marrying a gun? That, in your eyes, could be seen as a benefit of legalising same sex marriages?
Originally posted by ShonkytonkSwitzerland is an interesting one...don't thet have extremely liberal gun laws.
Murder Rates Per Capita
1. Colombia 0.61 per 1000 people
2. South Africa 0.49 per 1000 people
3. Jamaica 0.32 per 1000 people
4. Venezuela 0.31 per 1000 people
5. Russia 0.20 per 1000 people
6. Mexico 0.13 per 1000 people
7. Estonia 0.10 per 1000 people
8. Latvia 0.10 per 1000 people
9. Lithuania 0.10 per 1000 people
10. Bela ...[text shortened]... 0.00 per 1000 people
61. Saudi Arabia 0.00 per 1000 people
62. Qatar 0.00 per 1000 people
1 edit
Originally posted by WajomaThey are too busy being rich, healthy and taking in the beautiful scenery.
Switzerland is an interesting one...don't thet have extremely liberal gun laws.
Hold on, just found this...
"Switzerland is frequently cited as an example of a country with high gun ownership and a low murder rate. However, Switzerland also has a high degree of gun control, and actually makes a better argument for gun regulation than gun liberalization.
Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency. These weapons are fully automatic, military assault rifles, and by law they must be kept locked up. Their issue of 72 rounds of ammunition must be sealed, and it is strictly accounted for. This complicates their use for criminal purposes, in that they are difficult to conceal, and their use will be eventually discovered by the authorities.
As for civilian weapons, the cantons (states) issue licenses for handgun purchases on a "must issue" basis. Most, but not all, cantons require handgun registration. Any ammunition bought on the private market is also registered. Ammunition can be bought unregistered at government subsidized shooting ranges, but, by law, one must use all the ammunition at the range. (Unfortunately, this law is not really enforced, and gives Swiss gun owners a way to collect unregistered ammunition.) Because so many people own rifles, there is no regulation on carrying them, but 15 of the 26 cantons have regulations on carrying handguns.
Despite these regulations, Switzerland has the second highest handgun ownership and handgun murder rate in the industrialized world. A review of the statistics:
Percent of households with a handgun, 1991 (1)
United States 29%
Switzerland 14
Finland 7
Germany 7
Belgium 6
France 6
Canada 5
Norway 4
Europe 4
Australia 2
Netherlands 2
United Kingdom 1
Handgun murders (1992) (2)
Handgun 1992 Handgun Murder
Country Murders Population Rate (per 100,000)
-----------------------------------------------------------
United States 13,429 254,521,000 5.28
Switzerland 97 6,828,023 1.42
Canada 128 27,351,509 0.47
Sweden 36 8,602,157 0.42
Australia 13 17,576,354 0.07
United Kingdom 33 57,797,514 0.06
Japan 60 124,460,481 0.05
By contrast, Germany, France, Canada, Great Britain and Japan have virtually banned handguns and assault weapons to the general public."
Keep in mind these are 1992 figures.
1 edit
Originally posted by flyUnityI thought the topic was "freedom" and how the government shouldn't interfere with an individual's? Anyway, you answered my question: you think the government should be able to deny people the right to marry who they please (because of the remote possibility of bizarre future consequences), but not their right to have a gun (ignoring the immediate possiblity of real consequences). I'd say your position is inconsistent and illogical. Please don't talk about "freedom" anymore as you obviously don't really believe in it.
I think that gay couple should have the freedom to be gay, and to go together,
however Same-sex marriage would start us down a "slippery slope" towards legalized incest, bestial marriage, polygamy and all kinds of other horrible consequences, so I dont think they should be getting a "license". What do you think of the idea of somone getting a marria ...[text shortened]...
anyway this is off topic, so if you want to take this further we can do it in another thread
EDIT: I'd like to know if you believe people have the right to own crack cocaine like they do to own a gun, though.
Originally posted by no1marauderLol...would that be "the right to bear cocaine"?
I thought the topic was "freedom" and how the government shouldn't interfere with an individual's? Anyway, you answered my question: you think the government should be able to deny people the right to marry who they please (because of the remote possibility of bizarre future consequences), but not their right to have a gun (ignoring the immediate pos ...[text shortened]... now if you believe people have the right to own crack cocaine like they do to own a gun, though.
Guns don't kill people...people kill people. Years ago, back when there were things like "respect for your elders" and you could leave your doors unlocked because there was hardly any crime, there were still guns around. I think the media, movies, and video games glorifying shooting people are just as much to blame as anything else. Guns are tools, nothing more. If we never invented them, we would still be killing each other with knives and clubs.