@wildgrass saidBased on that answer, I have a follow up question.
Too many questions for one post, I'll just answer the first one....
No.
You made a post where you said "MAGA Republicans have done nothing..." Now you have indicated that you don't think non-MAGA Republicans have done anything either.
Why didn't you use the more concise wording beginning with "Republicans have done nothing..."? Are there biases or cognitive blind spots you need to reflect on?
And whether you answer the other questions or not, you have offered criticism. Maybe you have easy answers that you have not given, but I am personally at a loss to have a suggestion on how a genuine conservative can change the course of the country given the current mix in congress. Maybe they make a bold symbolic point such as impeaching Biden or introducing a bill to end free asylum so it can get voted down in the senate, but we all know in the end it changes nothing. As a voter, all I know for sure is we need fewer Democrats in congress.
@techsouth saidImmigrants have to jump through hoops to get asylum, so I have no idea what you mean by "a bill to end free asylum".
Based on that answer, I have a follow up question.
You made a post where you said "MAGA Republicans have done nothing..." Now you have indicated that you don't think non-MAGA Republicans have done anything either.
Why didn't you use the more concise wording beginning with "Republicans have done nothing..."? Are there biases or cognitive blind spots you need to refle ...[text shortened]... the end it changes nothing. As a voter, all I know for sure is we need fewer Democrats in congress.
Tough to end something that doesn't exist.
@no1marauder saidSimple, people show up at the border and claim asylum. They are technically not granted immediate asylum, but instead are allowed to live in the country and scheduled an asylum hearing. I was just recently involved with a family from Venezuela. They were given a court date more than 3 years after their arrival.
Immigrants have to jump through hoops to get asylum, so I have no idea what you mean by "a bill to end free asylum".
Tough to end something that doesn't exist.
They crossed the Darien Gap in Panama, and had to pay locals for passage. They often pay guides and almost always pay for transportation via boat in some sections. They cross Mexico mostly by bus. Near the border they pay the Cartels for the "right" to enter the US. They apply on the US website for an entry interview date. On that date, they are allowed to enter and shortly thereafter they are given their court date. I have not confirmed, but it is my understanding the US government charges nothing for that phase of the process. Or at least, they charge less than the Mexican drug cartels do for the privilege to enter the US.
After having lived in the country for 3+ years, there is little chance they'll be sent back. If they are going to be sent back, expect millions of sad news stories taking place over the next few years. I'd imagine CNN and AOC will have some airtime. If you aren't hearing sob stories on CNN, then it is safe to presume that virtually all of them gain approval.
At the time I was involved with the family, court dates were 3 years out. I presume it is longer now. I also personally know others besides this family. Great people leaving very difficult situations, but concern over unlimited immigration is an understandable concern.
It is also understandable that you would have "no idea what I mean by" a bill to end free asylum. Your new sources only give you talking points from the left, so you don't hear lots of things.
I attempted to refer to this process more succinctly as "free asylum", which it is. It is built as a charade on top of what asylum was meant for. But I forget how pedantic people can be. Also, I cannot overlook the fact that CNN and Karine Jean-Pierre will be telling people to not believe their lying eyes and how persuasive that can be for some.
So let me rephrase. The Republicans could introduce a bill to stop "that process which I just described that some say has absolutely no resemblance to free asylum", but we all know it would not pass the senate and even if it could, it would be vetoed.
Democrats may be technically right. There are perhaps not so many illegal border crossings. What they don't say is that they have made it legal for practically anyone to cross, so actual border crossings of people who normally could not attain a visa is way up.
@techsouth said" If you aren't hearing sob stories on CNN, then it is safe to presume that virtually all of them gain approval."
Simple, people show up at the border and claim asylum. They are technically not granted immediate asylum, but instead are allowed to live in the country and scheduled an asylum hearing. I was just recently involved with a family from Venezuela. They were given a court date more than 3 years after their arrival.
They crossed the Darien Gap in Panama, and had to pay loc ...[text shortened]... nyone to cross, so actual border crossings of people who normally could not attain a visa is way up.
So that's your source of asylum statistics?
It's probably a waste of time since you've obviously created a reality in your head impervious to actual facts, but I'll do some looking up to determine what the real figures are.
At any rate, your little anecdote describes people we should welcome into this country.
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In 2022 alone, there were close to 500,000 asylum cases filed. Only 36,000 were granted. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-11/2023_0818_plcy_refugees_and_asylees_fy2022.pdf
Tables 6a, 6b and 8.
By contrast:
DHS conducted over 1.2 million expulsions, removals and returns in first half of fiscal year 2023
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/04/27/dhs-conducts-dozens-removal-flights-every-week#:~:text=During%20the%20first%20half%20of%20Fiscal%20Year%20%28FY%29,U.S.%20Immigration%20and%20Customs%20Enforcement%20%28ICE%29%20removal%20flights.
Tell me more about this "free asylum".
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@techsouth saidAllowing those present in the US or at a point of entry to apply for asylum was a feature of the 1979 Refugee Act. It passed the Senate 85-0 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/96-1979/s262) and the House 328-47 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/96-1979/h670).
Simple, people show up at the border and claim asylum. They are technically not granted immediate asylum, but instead are allowed to live in the country and scheduled an asylum hearing. I was just recently involved with a family from Venezuela. They were given a court date more than 3 years after their arrival.
They crossed the Darien Gap in Panama, and had to pay loc ...[text shortened]... nyone to cross, so actual border crossings of people who normally could not attain a visa is way up.
A few more Republicans voted against it than Democrats but it had overwhelming bipartisan support, so your claim that "Democrats" "made it legal for practically anyone to cross" is typical right wing misinformation (as well as internally inaccurate; it is not legal for anyone to cross the border though they may apply for asylum if they are in the US or at a point of entry).
@no1marauder
The US was founded on immigration and there is nothing we can do to change that, but we can't hold all 8 billion people who may want to come here and that is a fact also. But we need people to do work that will otherwise not get done like picking fruit and such and the Trump years screwed that up big time with crops rotting in the fields because there was nobody to pick them.
So there clearly needs to be a common ground and one way would be to pump some money, not billions, but enough to put down some of the cartels in those central American countries where the girls are forced into prostitution and the boys forced to be cartel warriors.
But repubs would rather play power games and circus shows like the stupid impeach Biden show while real problems are shoved under the table.
Put a wall from San Diego to Orlando won't stop the flood of people coming across, that stupid wall is worthless, a battery powered sawzall shows how weak it really is and you can bet your ass Mexico will not pay for it like Trump puked.
So there needs to be better ways to stem the tide and a wall is not one of them as much as magites think it will be.
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@techsouth saidI wrote MAGA Republicans because they're the ones who keep loudly complaining. They don't dare try to solve the problem.
Based on that answer, I have a follow up question.
You made a post where you said "MAGA Republicans have done nothing..." Now you have indicated that you don't think non-MAGA Republicans have done anything either.
Why didn't you use the more concise wording beginning with "Republicans have done nothing..."? Are there biases or cognitive blind spots you need to refle ...[text shortened]... the end it changes nothing. As a voter, all I know for sure is we need fewer Democrats in congress.
Of course others are also not solving anything. What you talkin bout? Republicans control Congress and they don't even propose any legislation? Why not? Are they too dumb or are they lying about their interest in fixing it?
MAGAs are like firefighters pointing at a fire and just standing there. Pointing and yelling FIRE but not doing anything.
@no1marauder saidListen to Marauder as we are now admitting 12,500 a day to do what the hell they want. A lily livered liberal in deed. Asylum is a joke.
Immigrants have to jump through hoops to get asylum, so I have no idea what you mean by "a bill to end free asylum".
Tough to end something that doesn't exist.
@sonhouse saidwoops, almost missed a shouse post, needed new fodder.
@no1marauder
The US was founded on immigration and there is nothing we can do to change that, but we can't hold all 8 billion people who may want to come here and that is a fact also. But we need people to do work that will otherwise not get done like picking fruit and such and the Trump years screwed that up big time with crops rotting in the fields because there was nobod ...[text shortened]... o be better ways to stem the tide and a wall is not one of them as much as magites think it will be.
@no1marauder saidzzzzzzzzzzz. you really dont get it, do you. All piled up with your links like a card game.
Allowing those present in the US or at a point of entry to apply for asylum was a feature of the 1979 Refugee Act. It passed the Senate 85-0 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/96-1979/s262) and the House 328-47 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/96-1979/h670).
A few more Republicans voted against it than Democrats but it had overwhelming bipartisan support, s ...[text shortened]... to cross the border though they may apply for asylum if they are in the US or at a point of entry).
@averagejoe1 saidLiberals can't fix the problem.
Listen to Marauder as we are now admitting 12,500 a day to do what the hell they want. A lily livered liberal in deed. Asylum is a joke.
Even worse though, conservatives could fix it but won't.
@wildgrass saidyup. the only conservative I saw trying to stem the flow at the border was Trump.
Liberals can't fix the problem.
Even worse though, conservatives could fix it but won't.
It will hurt any candidate that is not pro-abortion or pro-wall. The people want both
@wildgrass saidRepublican’ts have forgotten how to govern. They’re too busy obstructing everyone and everything, including themselves.
MAGA Republicans have done nothing, nothing, all year to help fix the problems they fixate on. Lower costs? Nothing. Immigration? Nothing. Budget deficits? Nooooothing.
A productivity score of 0. Instead they operate in an environment that rewards chaos and fear and crisis.
@no1marauder saidSo I write one sentence, anonymously and a debate forum on a site dedicated to an activity that is not even political, and you conclude that that sentence contains my complete knowledge on a topic?
" If you aren't hearing sob stories on CNN, then it is safe to presume that virtually all of them gain approval."
So that's your source of asylum statistics?
It's probably a waste of time since you've obviously created a reality in your head impervious to actual facts, but I'll do some looking up to determine what the real figures are.
At any rate, your little anecdote describes people we should welcome into this country.
Quite a remarkable leap, eh?
And I wasn't even attempting to produce actual asylum statistics, but rather support the claim that asylum essentially grants open access to nearly anyone willing to pay the Mexican drug cartels their processing fee.
But even within that post, I indicated that I personally knew someone who's asylum hearing is 3 years in the future. A basic understanding of how social institutions operate, combined with that anecdote ought to be enough to make anyone strongly suspect the asylum system is overloaded. If that wasn't enough, the fact that Democrat mayors of major US cities are begging for relief in relation to being overwhelmed with recent immigrants bolsters that suspicion.
At least the reality in my head is created by a combination of many observations I can personally make and confirm. Your reality is constructed by whatever Karine Jean-Pierre tells you and CNN to believe. Don't believe your lying eyes. You can trust them.