There's so much in the Bill.. I'm so tired of Democrats saying this is a tax for millionaires. Every single family in America that pay taxes on average gets about a $2000 reduction in their taxes, and then every small business man and woman,.... as you know small businesses are the backbone of our economy. Major employers will see about a 20% reduction in their taxes. If you like a school choice for parents, there is an expansion school choice; if you like health savings account so people can have more control the healthcare money, that's in this bill. if you hate Joe Biden's student loan forgiveness scam that's gone. I mean, I can go out about drill drill. We're gonna do more drilling, and this allows for more mining timber sales.
More later. Y'all just do not know what is going on. Real wages up 4%. Inflation less than 3%. 401k are all up. The Mandami thing, it is a gift from heaven for Trump. He defines the democrat party! Even if he wins, the fall out will be in the laps of the democrat party who will lose all future elections.
I believe many posters are democrats. Y'all have found your new messenger.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI always wonder who the chuckle-heads are that instantly downvote your posts.
There's so much in the Bill.. I'm so tired of Democrats saying this is a tax for millionaires. Every single family in America that pay taxes on average gets about a $2000 reduction in their taxes, and then every small business man and woman,.... as you know small businesses are the backbone of our economy. Major employers will see about a 20% reduction in their taxes. If ...[text shortened]... future elections.
I believe many posters are democrats. Y'all have found your new messenger.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidA crowd of them, maybe some our posters here, were prooootttesting yesterday with signs (imagine that) which read....CANCEL STUDENT DEBT!.
I always wonder who the chuckle-heads are that instantly downvote your posts.
This could have easily just as said :TAXPAYERS PAY OUR DEBTS!
Same thing. The exact same thing. Why can non-brave liberals not BE brave and use the phrase that they could just as easily say??.
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@AverageJoe1 saidWhat taxpayers will pay the $3.3 trillion that this gift to the wealthy will add to the federal deficit? $1 trillion of which will go to the top 1% of earners. https://itep.org/top-1-to-receive-1-trillion-tax-cut-from-trump-megabill-over-next-decade/
There's so much in the Bill.. I'm so tired of Democrats saying this is a tax for millionaires. Every single family in America that pay taxes on average gets about a $2000 reduction in their taxes, and then every small business man and woman,.... as you know small businesses are the backbone of our economy. Major employers will see about a 20% reduction in their taxes. If ...[text shortened]... future elections.
I believe many posters are democrats. Y'all have found your new messenger.
The post that was quoted here has been removedJamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan, ( made $40M last year) is of your opinions. Gloom and doom. Remember recession talk, etc. So you can go along with the Dimons of the financial world, OR, such as the stable of economists at FOX..Larry Kudlow, Charles Payne, Stephen Moore, Peter Morici who study this stuff 24/7....all positive. Jamie Dimon is not nearly the researcher, and has a bad track record.
Given that this is the USA, with a very smart leader who knows finance and economics BIG time, being on a roll, I will go with the studied optimism.
I am afraid that you fellers have missed the train.
@AverageJoe1 said"Former Trump economic advisor Larry Kudlow conceded that his prediction of a looming recession was wrong and admitted that the U.S. economy is doing much better than expected under President Joe Biden."
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan, ( made $40M last year) is of your opinions. Gloom and doom. Remember recession talk, etc. So you can go along with the Dimons of the financial world, OR, such as the stable of economists at FOX..Larry Kudlow, Charles Payne, Stephen Moore, Peter Morici who study this stuff 24/7....all positive. Jamie Dimon is not nearly the researcher, and ...[text shortened]... roll, I will go with the studied optimism.
I am afraid that you fellers have missed the train.
https://www.newsweek.com/former-trump-advisor-praises-joe-biden-economy-i-was-wrong-1866232
@AverageJoe1 said"A finance guru warns 'boom times' for the American economy are a long way off, despite Donald Trump's claims about his tariffs.
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan, ( made $40M last year) is of your opinions. Gloom and doom. Remember recession talk, etc. So you can go along with the Dimons of the financial world, OR, such as the stable of economists at FOX..Larry Kudlow, Charles Payne, Stephen Moore, Peter Morici who study this stuff 24/7....all positive. Jamie Dimon is not nearly the researcher, and ...[text shortened]... roll, I will go with the studied optimism.
I am afraid that you fellers have missed the train.
Fox Business Network host Charles Payne pointed to 'shocking' falls in consumer spending and confidence in recent figures.
Trump's tariffs and sweeping government job cuts darkened consumers' mood and may be weighing on an otherwise mostly healthy economy."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14475525/economy-warning-American-consumer-confidence-spending-data.html
@AverageJoe1 said"But what is most disturbing about contemporary populists like Trump is that they show little understanding of economic and geopolitical realities in the polices they offer.
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan, ( made $40M last year) is of your opinions. Gloom and doom. Remember recession talk, etc. So you can go along with the Dimons of the financial world, OR, such as the stable of economists at FOX..Larry Kudlow, Charles Payne, Stephen Moore, Peter Morici who study this stuff 24/7....all positive. Jamie Dimon is not nearly the researcher, and ...[text shortened]... roll, I will go with the studied optimism.
I am afraid that you fellers have missed the train.
As a prime example, with the U.S. federal deficit at 7% of GDP, the country simply can't afford to extend the expiring provisions of the 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act. And if we want to protect Social Security and perhaps exempt its benefits from taxation, then Americans need to pay more taxes elsewhere.
Neither Trump nor his advisers have credibly addressed those economic issues."
https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20240903131/trumps-economic-populism-wont-bring-americans-lasting-prosperity
Article by Peter Moricki.
@no1marauder saidPerfectly logical, Marauder. Consider who Biden was known to be. The unwarranted regard which you and Sonhouse had for this person with a sordid past of plagiarism and lying, and being plain stupid, did not serve you well. You were wrong about him in the end , which you will never admit.
"Former Trump economic advisor Larry Kudlow conceded that his prediction of a looming recession was wrong and admitted that the U.S. economy is doing much better than expected under President Joe Biden."
https://www.newsweek.com/former-trump-advisor-praises-joe-biden-economy-i-was-wrong-1866232
Consider, that Kudlow knew of how bad he was and immediately thought,,,,Oh Hell, we are in for trouble, being led by such a person, elected under unusual circumstances....mainly, due to hatred of his competition.
So Kudlow predicted as I did that the economy would sink.
Me and Kudlow
You and Sonhouse
So, let us look at today, shall we?
@no1marauder saidWhat stands out here is your reference to the mood of consumers. They do not know what Trump's plan is. If they, and YOU knew, then his plan would not work. And these things take time.
"A finance guru warns 'boom times' for the American economy are a long way off, despite Donald Trump's claims about his tariffs.
Fox Business Network host Charles Payne pointed to 'shocking' falls in consumer spending and confidence in recent figures.
Trump's tariffs and sweeping government job cuts darkened consumers' mood and may be weighing on an otherwise ...[text shortened]... ail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14475525/economy-warning-American-consumer-confidence-spending-data.html
You have remarked before that Trump needs to apprise us daily on his thoughts. Should have Eisenhower?
Consumers and you are making these assumption with no full knowledge.
@AverageJoe1 saidSo you and Kudlow were wrong.
Perfectly logical, Marauder. Consider who Biden was known to be. The unwarranted regard which you and Sonhouse had for this person with a sordid past of plagiarism and lying, and being plain stupid, did not serve you well. You were wrong about him in the end , which you will never admit.
Consider, that Kudlow knew of how bad he was and immediately thought,,,,Oh He ...[text shortened]... at the economy would sink.
Me and Kudlow
You and Sonhouse
So, let us look at today, shall we?
Presidents generally get too much credit when the economy goes well and too much blame when it doesn't, but the economy Trump inherited this year was fundamentally strong. That he hasn't managed to completely screw it up YET isn't the great achievement you and most Fox News talking heads think it is.
@no1marauder saidTrump is smarter, though. And note that hundreds of lawmakers are on board. And note that this is all speculation.......just like your example of saying Kudlow, a smart economists, worked for Reagan, was wrong.
"But what is most disturbing about contemporary populists like Trump is that they show little understanding of economic and geopolitical realities in the polices they offer.
As a prime example, with the U.S. federal deficit at 7% of GDP, the country simply can't afford to extend the expiring provisions of the 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act. And if we want to protect ...[text shortened]... 903131/trumps-economic-populism-wont-bring-americans-lasting-prosperity
Article by Peter Moricki.
@AverageJoe1 saidLMAO! Trump rants and raves every single day about what his economic "plan" is.
What stands out here is your reference to the mood of consumers. They do not know what Trump's plan is. If they, and YOU knew, then his plan would not work. And these things take time.
You have remarked before that Trump needs to apprise us daily on his thoughts. Should have Eisenhower?
Consumers and you are making these assumption with no full knowledge.
Yes, a President should tell the People what his plans for the country are unless there is a national security reason for secrecy. What use is the concept of democracy if elected officials refuse to tell us what they intend to do?
@no1marauder saidYou are betting Trump will screw it up. I cannot Imagine that. We will wait and see. i sure am ot going to spend Forum-ing on detailed speculation answering the writings of people who truly base all of their thoughts on their hatred of Trump.
So you and Kudlow were wrong.
Presidents generally get too much credit when the economy goes well and too much blame when it doesn't, but the economy Trump inherited this year was fundamentally strong. That he hasn't managed to completely screw it up YET isn't the great achievement you and most Fox News talking heads think it is.
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