@Zahlanzi saidLet's pick one issue.
"Could you maybe tell us why losers have signs that say "Pay Student Debt', and do not have a more specific sign that says "Taxpayers Pay Our Student Debt"?"
No, you're to dumb to have a useful discussion on it or you play a character to dumb to have an honest discussion about it.
If the town loans $100,000 out of its treasury, which monies had been PUT there by people who pay taxes, AND that money never is never repaid, then the town is OUT $100,000.
Tell that to your loyal followers, and follow up by explaining that the $100,000 was not paid by the taxpayers. I will be a follower, too. We are all ears.
Another poster here says the taxpayers do NOT pay the $100k.
Zahlanzi,,,,,,,do you think the taxpayers do not pay the $100k?
@no1marauder saidThe 3.3 is not germane to my asking you if taxpayers end up holding the bag for loans that are not repaid by the losers who borrowed the money and spent the money, real money which was received by the respective payees.
And taxpayers are stuck with every dollar of the $3.3 trillion deficit that Trump just burdened them with. Except they got little or nothing to show for it.
Now, a true follower of Sonhouse such as yourself would say...'well, avJoe, some of that money went to the Trump University!!!" You might think that that would prove some inane point, but all it proves to a common sense conservative is that there was real money paid to a university.
@AverageJoe1 saidNo, I didn't say that you ignorant liar.
Let's pick one issue.
If the town loans $100,000 out of its treasury, which monies had been PUT there by people who pay taxes, AND that money never is never repaid, then the town is OUT $100,000.
Tell that to your loyal followers, and follow up by explaining that the $100,000 was not paid by the taxpayers. I will be a follower, too. We are all ears.
Another po ...[text shortened]... e taxpayers do NOT pay the $100k.
Zahlanzi,,,,,,,do you think the taxpayers do not pay the $100k?
I said they are not asking taxpayers NOW to pay their student loan debt. And they aren't.
If you're too stupid to understand that, just say so.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThose "losers" are the sons and daughters of working and middle class families who bettered them themselves by getting an education they otherwise couldn't have afforded.
The 3.3 is not germane to my asking you if taxpayers end up holding the bag for loans that are not repaid by the losers who borrowed the money and spent the money, real money which was received by the respective payees.
Now, a true follower of Sonhouse such as yourself would say...'well, avJoe, some of that money went to the Trump University!!!" You might think that ...[text shortened]... but all it proves to a common sense conservative is that there was real money paid to a university.
That you hate them so much while worshipping a con man who was handed $150 million by his daddy says all that needs to be said about who the "loser" is.
The money is long gone and paid for something useful. The only question is whether forgiveness of student loan debt now is good public policy or not. Loans get forgiven all the time and of course it has some effect on third parties. So what?
In economic theory, the effect of a broad based student loan forgiveness program would be akin to a middle class tax cut. I'm sick of explaining this to a hateful dullard like yourself though.
And your dodging the effect of the $3.3 trillion being added to the deficit that the taxpayers now owe is typical. There is no difference between that money and any additional burden caused by forgiveness of student debt except what the taxpayers get for it. For the former we saved the 1% a trillion dollars, for the latter we got millions of educated workers. Which is better for the taxpayers?
@no1marauder saidWho made 'asking' a part of this scenario.
No, I didn't say that you ignorant liar.
I said they are not asking taxpayers NOW to pay their student loan debt. And they aren't.
If you're too stupid to understand that, just say so.
If the town is out $100k, they too might not 'ASK" the taxpayers to repay the loans, as the taxpayers are ....follow me here...already out of pocket the amount of their tax money that was used to give to these losers.
If I loan Uncle Abtkar $100 and he does not pay me back, I might not 'ask' him to pay me back. But Sonhouse, I am out $100. I have paid for the new shotgun that he bought with that $100 at Kmart.
@AverageJoe1 saidYOU did. Remember "Taxpayers pay my student debt" signs?
Who made 'asking' a part of this scenario.
If the town is out $100k, they too might not 'ASK" the taxpayers to repay the loans, as the taxpayers are ....follow me here...already out of pocket the amount of their tax money that was used to give to these losers.
If I loan Uncle Abtkar $100 and he does not pay me back, I might not 'ask' him to pay me back. But Sonhouse, I am out $100. I have paid for the new shotgun that he bought with that $100 at Kmart.
We've covered it enough. You are now goalpost moving.
@no1marauder saidAnd who mentioned public policy? And you have decided what the 'only question' is?? The only question is whether or not taxpayers paid out of pocket for the money realized by these students.
Those "losers" are the sons and daughters of working and middle class families who bettered them themselves by getting an education they otherwise couldn't have afforded.
That you hate them so much while worshipping a con man who was handed $150 million by his daddy says all that needs to be said about who the "loser" is.
The money is long gone and paid for somethin ...[text shortened]... in to a middle class tax cut. I'm sick of explaining this to a hateful dullard like yourself though.
You are disingenuous to say that I improperly call them losers. This popped up rather quickly. Spot on.
"""'Whoever benefits from the new government programs, the real loser will be the American taxpayer.""""
I am aware of the plight of families, will compare philanthropy with you any time. Only you know if you sent money to the flood victims. Do you think that I might have just done that.?? That would be for another thread, you simply cannot dodge the issue at hand. Answer the dilemma of the town which is out $100k.?
@AverageJoe1 saidWhat you can't understand because Fox News doesn't tell you this is that the purpose of the program wasn't to make the government money off interest on student loans but to educate working and middle class kids so that they would be more productive members of society. The program has always contained provisions for lesser payments based on income for those who needed that assistance. The BBB includes those as well.
Who made 'asking' a part of this scenario.
If the town is out $100k, they too might not 'ASK" the taxpayers to repay the loans, as the taxpayers are ....follow me here...already out of pocket the amount of their tax money that was used to give to these losers.
If I loan Uncle Abtkar $100 and he does not pay me back, I might not 'ask' him to pay me back. But Sonhouse, I am out $100. I have paid for the new shotgun that he bought with that $100 at Kmart.
@AverageJoe1 saidThey're Americans. An extra$150 bullion for defense does not go in middle class American pockets. It gets "lost"
nonononono.....Why can they not have signs that say TAXPAYERS PAY OUR STUDENT LOANS?
Wgrass, you surprise me. Leave others to change subjects.
Why can they not have signs that say TAXPAYERS PAY OUR STUDENT LOANS?
@AverageJoe1 saidLike I said, goalpoat moving. Your complaint was that those who would benefit from student loan forgiveness wanted taxpayers to pay their debts. Since it's now established that isn't so (forgiveness isn't repayment), you've changed your tune.
And who mentioned public policy? And you have decided what the 'only question' is?? The only question is whether or not taxpayers paid out of pocket for the money realized by these students.
You are disingenuous to say that I improperly call them losers. This popped up rather quickly. Spot on.
"""'Whoever benefits from the new government programs, the real los ...[text shortened]... ead, you simply cannot dodge the issue at hand. Answer the dilemma of the town which is out $100k.?
Your new one gets a "so what"? Any type of relief, including tax cuts, reduces revenue.
@AverageJoe1 said"Let's pick one issue."
Let's pick one issue.
If the town loans $100,000 out of its treasury, which monies had been PUT there by people who pay taxes, AND that money never is never repaid, then the town is OUT $100,000.
Tell that to your loyal followers, and follow up by explaining that the $100,000 was not paid by the taxpayers. I will be a follower, too. We are all ears.
Another po ...[text shortened]... e taxpayers do NOT pay the $100k.
Zahlanzi,,,,,,,do you think the taxpayers do not pay the $100k?
let's not.
no need to ignore years of shared experience where you ignore and/or not understand every argument presented and go again into a debate with you. Just for it to go nowhere and you to proudly declare you're ignorant and proud of it.
@wildgrass saidActually, defense spending does mainly go into middle class American pockets.
They're Americans. An extra$150 bullion for defense does not go in middle class American pockets. It gets "lost"
@sh76 saidso when Lockheed gets a multi-billion dollar contract, that goes "mainly into middle class American pockets"? When a base is opened or being kept open in Germany or any of the hundreds of other places around the world, does that "mainly go into middle class American pockets"?
Actually, defense spending does mainly go into middle class American pockets.
Do elaborate, it should be fascinating.
@sh76 saidReally? Maybe if you ignore the grift, but it's insanely wasteful. At the very least, the appropriation should fit a specific strategic need at the DoDs request.
Actually, defense spending does mainly go into middle class American pockets.
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