@wildgrass saidSince you find fault with this three trillion dollar debt plan, then tell us if you find fault with having unqualified people on Medicaid. You have not answered that. That is a question of mine on this forum Should people unqualified be on Medicaid? Can you answer that do you see how much simple my question is then questions about $3 trillion with all of the ramifications there are?. Mine are more fun.
You don't need a PhD in economics to understand $3 trillion in debt. In fact the number is much much higher if you add it to the current deficit levels that existed before the bill was passed.
Republicans cut Medicaid and somehow ended up spending MORE money. You love it.
@AverageJoe1
You appear to want Medicaid to not be as expensive, while there are people on Medicaid that should not be there, that if we kick off, we can save billions of dollars.
@AverageJoe1 saidTalking to yourself?
@AverageJoe1
You appear to want Medicaid to not be as expensive, while there are people on Medicaid that should not be there, that if we kick off, we can save billions of dollars.
@AverageJoe1 saidI don't like debt. Especially government debt.
Right, but Funhouse has an innate knowledge of the $3 trillion debt and all of the ramifications there of, and he knows that it will not work, and is asking us to weigh in on something, with our limited knowledge,, something that we do not know as much about as he does. I hope that makes sense. It is a long sentence.
So I pass on conversations about the nature of th ...[text shortened]... ainly you would not want me without such knowledge to waste the time of everyone commenting on such.
You like government debt.
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@AverageJoe1 saidMedicaid cuts were made by changing eligibility rules, not by purging ineligible people, silly. So people get dropped because they're not eligible anymore, not because they were never eligible.
Since you find fault with this three trillion dollar debt plan, then tell us if you find fault with having unqualified people on Medicaid. You have not answered that. That is a question of mine on this forum Should people unqualified be on Medicaid? Can you answer that do you see how much simple my question is then questions about $3 trillion with all of the ramifications there are?. Mine are more fun.
Seems silly to me, these work requirements for government aid. If you have a job, why can't you pay for it?
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@wildgrass saidIf you have a job, you take some of your income and buy health insurance. Sonhouse?
Medicaid cuts were made by changing eligibility rules, not by purging ineligible people, silly. So people get dropped because they're not eligible anymore, not because they were never eligible.
Seems silly to me, these work requirements for government aid. If you have a job, why can't you pay for it?
Oops, I get y’all mixed up.
@AverageJoe1 saidExactly what alternative would be better than slashing the money IRS gives the government by some 2/3rds? Or giving huge tax BRIBES to billionaires or cutting off millions to health insurance with the fking NONSENSE tale that MILLIONS of them should not be insured, ALL fraud cases. No such massive fraud has EVER been found in Medicaid but Trump just SAYS HEY there is massive fraud there so we are going to decimate it.
The quick answer is that it is better than the alternative. Note that you libs look for 100% perfection, will take nothing less. WE are realists. W know there is bad with the good,. We also know things take time. We know to pick the best road, with all its bumps. We get smart people to thresh it all out. If a Momdani type of thinking were applied, bankruptcy would en ...[text shortened]... appen. That alone is somewhat of an answer. We will prevail because we do NOT follow your tenets.
And why does Trump keep saying he has no control over people he sends to El Salvador, it's up to the powers in El Salvador to allow them to come back? Why is that?
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@sonhouse saidMy knee-jerk is...what have we got to do with El Salvador? What have we got to do with Guadapupe? If people break into your house, the police find out whre they are supposed to be, and they tell them to stay in their places where they belong, or they will be thrown in the hole. I am sure you would agree with that. But if they are illegally in the jurisdiction of those police, those police make sure to make them go where they are citizens. I am sure you would agree with that. It is irrelevant to us where they are citizens.
Exactly what alternative would be better than slashing the money IRS gives the government by some 2/3rds? Or giving huge tax BRIBES to billionaires or cutting off millions to health insurance with the fking NONSENSE tale that MILLIONS of them should not be insured, ALL fraud cases. No such massive fraud has EVER been found in Medicaid but Trump just SAYS HEY there is massive ...[text shortened]... sends to El Salvador, it's up to the powers in El Salvador to allow them to come back? Why is that?
Sometimes I wonder what your point is. Like, I think you are the poster who says that our taxes should pay for the health care of illegal invaders, such as that.
Do you know that immigration officers work day and night to get these illegal alien invaders out of our country, and assaults of these officers are up 690%.??
You probably do know that..you and Marauder carry signs "Let Them In", "Make Them Happy", such as that.
Or am I wrong? Do you want them out of here? Another easy question.
@sonhouse saidYou could gain more supporters on the forum if you would pose answers and solutions to the problems which you post. Like, would you simply not fire anyone? After all, they have to make money to live on. We have to think of that.
Exactly what alternative would be better than slashing the money IRS gives the government by some 2/3rds? Or giving huge tax BRIBES to billionaires or cutting off millions to health insurance with the fking NONSENSE tale that MILLIONS of them should not be insured, ALL fraud cases. No such massive fraud has EVER been found in Medicaid but Trump just SAYS HEY there is massive ...[text shortened]... sends to El Salvador, it's up to the powers in El Salvador to allow them to come back? Why is that?
@wildgrass saidThere's grift and pork and incompetence in every government program, which is why, by and large, government sucks at doing stuff. It's not that the administrators are bad people, but lack of economic incentives will do that to a program. Nobody fundamentally gives a damn when the DoD pays $435 for a hammer. So it happens.
Really? Maybe if you ignore the grift, but it's insanely wasteful. At the very least, the appropriation should fit a specific strategic need at the DoDs request.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/pentagon-audit-2666415734/
Still, as government programs go, at least military spending (which almost all goes to American companies and American people) produces scientific advancement and gives people skills that can later be translated to industry.
Don't get me wrong. Our defense budget is absurdly inflated (like most of the rest of the government). But as government wastefulness goes, military spending is not the worst offender.
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@sh76 said
There's grift and pork and incompetence in every government program, which is why, by and large, government sucks at doing stuff. It's not that the administrators are bad people, but lack of economic incentives will do that to a program. Nobody fundamentally gives a damn when the DoD pays $435 for a hammer. So it happens.
Still, as government programs go, at least military sp ...[text shortened]... f the government). But as government wastefulness goes, military spending is not the worst offender.
There's grift and pork and incompetence in every government program, which is why, by and large, government sucks at doing stuff
No. Another agency, the NIH, tracks every dollar and can tell you exactly what it was spent on and holds institutions accountable for ethical violations and fraud. No one there spends $435 on a hammer. In fact, many areas of government won't let you expense a cup of coffee. People go to prison for lying on grant applications.
None of that accountability exists at the DOD. Your "at least" argument is absurd. No one in the DOD asked for the extra $150 billion.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThat's what I'm saying. Medicaid should be for people who don't have jobs and therefore cannot afford lifesaving care. How does it make sense to add work requirements for this benefit?
If you have a job, you take some of your income and buy health insurance. Sonhouse?
Oops, I get y’all mixed up.
@wildgrass saidYou are being a bit general, or a bit incomplete, with this post.
That's what I'm saying. Medicaid should be for people who don't have jobs and therefore cannot afford lifesaving care. How does it make sense to add work requirements for this benefit?
The number of job openings was little changed at 7.8 million in May, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
reported today.
You left that out. Get a job, get insurance. Actually this really swell idea is in the news everyday,..... you are writing in the wrong forum. There is one somewhere, maybe TicTok, where they could use your thoughts!!!!
Geez. You teaming up with Sonhouse, are you??
And your 'how does it make sense to add work requirements"!?!/1/? OK, I'll bite....tell us what requiremenrs, if any, should be required. Geez
@wildgrass saidOr we cut to the chase, implement Medicare for all, and lower ALL medical costs countrywide by 66% - or likely even more. 😆
That's what I'm saying. Medicaid should be for people who don't have jobs and therefore cannot afford lifesaving care. How does it make sense to add work requirements for this benefit?
Make healthcare a public utility like electric or water.
How many complaints do you have about your electric? (OK, you'll complain about fuuking anything. Does it work? Do the lights go on? Does your phone charge? Ok then, you get the point... 😆)
@spruce112358 saidYeah maybe. It's not a bad idea. We do pay for utilities though. I'm not convinced it would be a cost saver overall. Either the overall cost stays the same or similar, or standard of care goes down.
Or we cut to the chase, implement Medicare for all, and lower ALL medical costs countrywide by 66% - or likely even more. 😆
Make healthcare a public utility like electric or water.
How many complaints do you have about your electric? (OK, you'll complain about fuuking anything. Does it work? Do the lights go on? Does your phone charge? Ok then, you get the point... 😆)