08 Jul 20
@Zahlanzi
We have an issue which is bubbling to the front of confrontations in the Netherlands.
By pure coincidence there’s a letter about the subject in the news:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53330105
So, it’s not directly related to racism, but it does have overlapping aspects.
What seems to be happening is this: inclusion.
What? Says ye. Whatever is wrong with inclusion?
Well, one of the interpretations is roughly as follows:
“I feel insulted. You cannot judge what insults me, therefore you have to accept my feelings in this.”
Men cannot judge what offends women, white men cannot fathom what’s offensive or racist to black people.
So, what happens is, someone feels insulted and demands an apology.
And then gets it. Because otherwise said offender is not woke and is probing his or her racism / ignorance / etc.
Now, say you raise the issues of context and intent. This is instantly dismissed. Because one cannot judge tue context and intent which is perceived by the victim (who’s obviously not a victim, but is just someone who’s assertive and vocal about the offender’s short-comings).
Now, in this scenario, I give you the death of debate and even the death of communication.
For if person X can be offended by Y, and Y cannot be judged on context or intent, then person C can be equally offended by the behaviour of X. And person M can be offended by C’s reaction to X’s behaviour to Y. Etc.
What’s your opinion on this?
08 Jul 20
@shavixmir saidIt sounds like those microaggressions, hopefully in the fullness of time we will get a handle on what constitutes them other than the subjective feelings of X to the words or actions of Y
@Zahlanzi
We have an issue which is bubbling to the front of confrontations in the Netherlands.
By pure coincidence there’s a letter about the subject in the news:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53330105
So, it’s not directly related to racism, but it does have overlapping aspects.
What seems to be happening is this: inclusion.
What? Says ye. Whateve ...[text shortened]... person M can be offended by C’s reaction to X’s behaviour to Y. Etc.
What’s your opinion on this?
We will also have to be careful not to let actual racism and misogyny etc off the hook by being overly restrictive in what we accept into the definitions.
08 Jul 20
@shavixmir said"What’s your opinion on this?"
@Zahlanzi
We have an issue which is bubbling to the front of confrontations in the Netherlands.
By pure coincidence there’s a letter about the subject in the news:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53330105
So, it’s not directly related to racism, but it does have overlapping aspects.
What seems to be happening is this: inclusion.
What? Says ye. Whateve ...[text shortened]... person M can be offended by C’s reaction to X’s behaviour to Y. Etc.
What’s your opinion on this?
It seems like it should be a separate thread and deals more with the concept of social justice warriors and cancel culture. The video i posted is less about it and deals with actual racism in the US. Actual racist acts from the past and present that have shaped America into a racist system meant to keep minorities down (and more broadly, poor people)
It's not a matter of "offending" people to say that whites received loans to buy homes at almost 100% rate and that home developers were granted loans with the caveat they shouldn't sell to black people which led to seggregated neighbourhoods vastly differing in wealth which, coupled with the insane law that schools should be funded through property tax, led to black schools being massively underfunded and, surprise surprise, black kids doing worse in school than whites which.
Make another thread and i will participate
@earl-of-trumps saidReally!? Two reports to Admin???
Certainly looks like racism is genetic.
I think the only end to it all is going back to "Separate But Equal"
Then we can all go back to peaceful lives again.
Did I badmouth ONE rhp member? no.
Did I badmouth a race, ethnicty, gender or place of origin? no.
Did I wish harm to anyone? no.
But it IS permissible to slam America by suggesting that racism is rampant in America!
Isn't that racist?
I guess some people want total control
08 Jul 20
@earl-of-trumps said"Separate but Equal" refers to segregation in the U.S.
Really!? Two reports to Admin???
Did I badmouth ONE rhp member? no.
Did I badmouth a race, ethnicty, gender or place of origin? no.
Did I wish harm to anyone? no.
But it IS permissible to slam America by suggesting that racism is rampant in America!
Isn't that racist?
I guess some people want total control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_but_equal
If you did not mean to express support for segregation, I suggest amending your post.
08 Jul 20
@kazetnagorra saidIt was tongue-in-cheek because we all know it is never going to happen
"Separate but Equal" refers to segregation in the U.S.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_but_equal
If you did not mean to express support for segregation, I suggest amending your post.
But it does leave the lingering question. "What do we do about it"?
And it only *hints* at the extreme answers some people may secretly harbor.
Yes, I am saying the leftists are beating the drum of racism for a reason.
They have a solution. It's called "revolution".
08 Jul 20
@earl-of-trumps saidRegardless of whether it is realistically going to happen, you seemed to suggest that it is desirable for segregation to return. Just to be clear: you do not wish for segregation to return?
It was tongue-in-cheek because we all know it is never going to happen
But it does leave the lingering question. "What do we do about it"?
And it only *hints* at the extreme answers some people may secretly harbor.
Yes, I am saying the leftists are beating the drum of racism for a reason.
They have a solution. It's called "revolution".
08 Jul 20
@earl-of-trumps saidSeparate but equal. Never going to happen?
It was tongue-in-cheek because we all know it is never going to happen
But it does leave the lingering question. "What do we do about it"?
And it only *hints* at the extreme answers some people may secretly harbor.
Yes, I am saying the leftists are beating the drum of racism for a reason.
They have a solution. It's called "revolution".
It's already happened! Ever hear of Jim Crow laws?
Christ, learn a little history!
Yes, even the history you don't like, showing the full repugnant history of racism among white people in America.
And yes, we've heard about this BS "revolution". Last time we heard about it was from the right. And now, again, we're hearing about it from the right, only they are gaslighting America into believing it's coming from the left.
SOS, man. (Same old s---.) The reason the left is beating the drum of racism is that now, finally, this same old s--- has got to finally stop.
Separate but equal. Never going to happen?
It's already happened! Ever hear of Jim Crow laws?
Christ, learn a little history!
You can't be serious!? Yes, there were Jim Crow laws, and yes there was absolutely a policy of "separate but equal". Did you know that?
Telling me to learn history? Here's what I know of history:
Slavery, Jim Crow, and separate but equal were ALL democrat party initiatives,
Learn some history, Suzie. WHat I said means we are not going BACK to it. Doh.
usleagal.com: Separate but equal was a policy instituted in southern states which practiced segregation. Under the policy, African Americans and people of European descent were provided separate public facilities and services, such as schools, water fountains, and bathrooms.
Yes, even the history you don't like, showing the full repugnant history of racism among white people in America.
Am I supposed to enjoy it like the Old Yellow Dog Democrats did?
You really ought to look at your Democrat party's roots. You'll see that
the fingers should be pointed at them, not peaceful people like me
And yes, we've heard about this BS "revolution". Last time we heard about it was from the right. And now, again, we're hearing about it from the right, only they are gaslighting America into believing it's coming from the left.
It is your opinion that the right is starting a revolution. But it is the leftists
doing the protests, setting police stations on fire, looting business, the cancel
culture etc. So I really think you stand corrected. Again.
I am not drawing value of the revolution, only that the signs of it exist and who
is pushing it as their top agenda. Marxists.
SOS, man. (Same old s---.) The reason the left is beating the drum of racism is that now, finally, this same old s--- has got to finally stop.
Fine. Why don't the leftists demand that of the people who are doing it?
Or do you share the common belief on the left that ALL white people are racists?
Because they sure act that way!!
Cheerio!
08 Jul 20
@earl-of-trumps saidSubjugation of African slaves was promoted in the 19th century by the southern Democrats who now call themselves Republicans. Read a book!
@SuzianneSeparate but equal. Never going to happen?
It's already happened! Ever hear of Jim Crow laws?
Christ, learn a little history!
You can't be serious!? Yes, there were Jim Crow laws, and yes there was absolutely a policy of "separate but equal". Did you know that?
Telling me to learn history? Here's what I know of history:
Slavery, Jim C ...[text shortened]... belief on the left that ALL white people are racists?
Because they sure act that way!!
Cheerio!