@AverageJoe1 said"ONLY" 70. So their percentage was INCREDIBLY good.
So, we need to buy them a plane ticket back home. They were probably in the wrong place, where they shouldn't have been, maybe sheltering illegal aliens, etc.
But tell them we are sorry, but, that it was worth it. And, thell them to 'stay off the street' from now on. I never go 'on the street' and will never be in the wrong place at the wrong time. You fellers?
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/ice-deport-us-citizens/
They need to get a RAISE in pay they are SO DAMN GOOD.
@shavixmir saidYou leave out one simple point. We need to decide who comes here, and who will work in our strawberry fields. You libs say we have to live with unvetted illegal aliens from which to find our laborers. You are saying that these aliens Do THE DECIDING!!!
Yeah, you might think that Joe.
But what’s really going on?
People are being rounded up because of ethnicity and randomly deported.
Doesn’t that remind you of something?
If someone is working, paying taxes, abiding by the law, what’s it to you whether they have a signed document by some bureaucract who can hardly even spell, or not?
They’re productivr members of so ...[text shortened]... you so, that it makes you sound creepy and racist?
I’m sure you’ve just not thought it through yet.
Secondly, we 'round people up' that might be a threat and huge expense to our society. Thirdly, it is an imperfect process. Fourthly, so was fighting off the Germans in 1943 an imperfect process. The Hiroshiima Bomb was a perfect process, for comparison. Are yo getting the picture
I never said I care about their ethnicity. My own family is ethnic. Geez
Then you talk about all this goody stuff , even suggesting they do NOT take jobs of our citizens. wrong. Then you say they are productive, and dare to say that We Should Afford Them The Full Scale Of The Law. So, give them the same rights that we all have????? We SHOULD????
Finally, 'what's it to me' that they work in our society???/They are ILLEGALLY here!!!!!!. Do you not care if your son works side-by-side at the factory with a man who may have murdered a family in el Salvador????/
Why don't you answer questions like this, instead of flying off like Sonhouse does??
@AverageJoe1 saidEveryone deserves the full scale of the law.
You leave out one simple point. We need to decide who comes here, and who will work in our strawberry fields. You libs say we have to live with unvetted illegal aliens from which to find our laborers. You are saying that these aliens Do THE DECIDING!!!
Secondly, we 'round people up' that might be a threat and huge expense to our society. Thirdly, it is an imperfe ...[text shortened]... alvador????/
Why don't you answer questions like this, instead of flying off like Sonhouse does??
The bombing of Hiroshima was a crime against humanity.
As for the rest of your post: selecting which people in a country are allowed due proces and which are not is a very slippery slope.
@AverageJoe1 saidGod, I'm tired of all the hate people like you, who have it pretty good here, focus on the lowest people in our society, people doing the jobs you wouldn't do. I think maybe you should thank them, maybe take them out to lunch. Yes, your treat.
You leave out one simple point. We need to decide who comes here, and who will work in our strawberry fields. You libs say we have to live with unvetted illegal aliens from which to find our laborers. You are saying that these aliens Do THE DECIDING!!!
Secondly, we 'round people up' that might be a threat and huge expense to our society. Thirdly, it is an imperfe ...[text shortened]... alvador????/
Why don't you answer questions like this, instead of flying off like Sonhouse does??
Maybe talk to them, maybe find out what's important to them. Maybe find out you have more in common with them than you thought. Maybe even discover that they are human beings, too. Just like you. Although it's my suspicion that maybe they are a bit MORE human than you. Maybe you can learn something about being human from them.
What have you got to lose, besides a bit of your inhumanity?
@AverageJoe1 saidSo where are these worse of the worse? Arresting a woman married to a veteran with a 2 month old baby? Or a man who was beaten besides being arrested and father of 3 Marines? Total disregard for rule of law, due process.
An imperfect process. You should keep up
BTW: Shav will not answer my questions hereinabove, heretofore.
This is inhumane and ICE is nothing but Trump's secret police, afraid to show their face? Now there are REAL criminals copycat of ICE agents literally raping, stealing, car jacking.
But nothing from your Lord Trump about THAT.
And these folks have been here 20 years or more ZERO criminal record, good jobs, PAYING TAXES to the tune of over 80 BILLION in IRS taxes coming in to our government so yeah I guess these dudes are stealing us blind.
@shavixmir saidMy status of being in a country (the USA) is quite different than the status of someone who has invaded the country. There is your slippery slope.
Everyone deserves the full scale of the law.
The bombing of Hiroshima was a crime against humanity.
As for the rest of your post: selecting which people in a country are allowed due proces and which are not is a very slippery slope.
If you legally live in a house on Maple Street, does a person who has no right to be in that house have the same status as you do?
ohhhh, Shavixmir.
So there is only one answer to that complicated question.
That said, regarding Hiroshima, there are more than one answer to that question of bombing Hiroshima. Some say yes, like me, and some say no, like you.
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@Suzianne saidThis is a very thoughtful post, good stuff. But you imply quite a bit about regard for fellow man out of context. If I am standing at the border and a few guys swim across, why don't you begin your treatise with that. Let's go get coffee. I have been in that spot, my wife is of the nature of which you speak, and we went there with crates of bottled water years ago to aid them in their trek, a beautiful woman. Alas, too many people, not enough bottles. No english. They wandered on into the country. Her job was done, off we went. My (..that is, citizens of the USA) job was just beginning. You make it look so pollyanna. There is a place for any and all, no matter who you are!?!? A border agent asked me what in the hell we are doing, his hands are full!!!!
God, I'm tired of all the hate people like you, who have it pretty good here, focus on the lowest people in our society, people doing the jobs you wouldn't do. I think maybe you should thank them, maybe take them out to lunch. Yes, your treat.
Maybe talk to them, maybe find out what's important to them. Maybe find out you have more in common with them than you thought. ...[text shortened]... mething about being human from them.
What have you got to lose, besides a bit of your inhumanity?
@sonhouse saidWe get your what-ifs. All you are really saying is.....Stop with the goal of ICE, get rid of ICE. Do not send illegal aliens back to their country of citizenship. Then, when. you accomplish that, get rid of local police. I see no difference...Can you tell us why we should have police, but NOT NOT NOT have ICE?? Can you respond to this post and tell us why we shuld have police, but NOT NOT NOT hve ICE.???
So where are these worse of the worse? Arresting a woman married to a veteran with a 2 month old baby? Or a man who was beaten besides being arrested and father of 3 Marines? Total disregard for rule of law, due process.
This is inhumane and ICE is nothing but Trump's secret police, afraid to show their face? Now there are REAL criminals copycat of ICE agents literally rapi ...[text shortened]... BILLION in IRS taxes coming in to our government so yeah I guess these dudes are stealing us blind.
Thankyou very much.
@AverageJoe1 saidGet rid of ICE. You mean like get rid of Hitler's secret police? Where there ALSO was ZERO due process, you may remember that bit in the CONSTITUTION that says EVERYONE, CITIZEN OR NOT is due their day in court? ICE BLATANTLY OPENLY says SCREW the constitution.
We get your what-ifs. All you are really saying is.....Stop with the goal of ICE, get rid of ICE. Do not send illegal aliens back to their country of citizenship. Then, when. you accomplish that, get rid of local police. I see no difference...Can you tell us why we should have police, but NOT NOT NOT have ICE?? Can you respond to this post and tell us why we shuld have police, but NOT NOT NOT hve ICE.???
Thankyou very much.
And You think that is just FINE, we are getting rid of RAPISTS, CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS and CARTEL DRUG DEALERS.
THAT is an OUTRIGHT LIE.
Trump SAID we are taking the worse of the worse,
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-immigration-crime-ice-criminal-dangerous-violent-99557d9d68642004193a9f4b7668162e
A BALD FACE LIE. AND OF COURSE YOU GO ALONG WITH IT.
ALL PEOPLE HERE for whatever reason the CONSTITUTION says they get their day in court if they are arrested.
So tell me why it is ok to BLATANTLY ignore our very constitution.
The people they are LITERALLY KIDNAPPING and BTW YOU said 70 of them were American citizens, nothing wrong with that since they ARE the worse of the worse.
If is really sad how a tyrant like Trump can convince people the constitution is just a list of suggestions.
IT IS NOT SUGGESTIONS it is the LAW OF THE LAND.
What part of THAT do you not understand?
They are kidnapping ordinary folks WHO ARE IN COURT TO FIND OUT IF THEY CAN GET A GREEN CARD and get kidnapped right in front of the judge who is actually trying to do the 'DUE PROCESS' thing but basically ICE telling the judge SCREW YOUR DUE PROCESS. TRUMP TOLD US TO ARREST BROWN SKIN PEOPLE AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING.
@AverageJoe1 saidAgain with the house comparison.
My status of being in a country (the USA) is quite different than the status of someone who has invaded the country. There is your slippery slope.
If you legally live in a house on Maple Street, does a person who has no right to be in that house have the same status as you do?
ohhhh, Shavixmir.
So there is only one answer to that complicated question.
That ...[text shortened]... one answer to that question of bombing Hiroshima. Some say yes, like me, and some say no, like you.
It’s not the same.
Good grief.
You’re not allowed to murder people. If you do, then you get prosecuted.
So, if someone breaks another law, say, for example, something stupid like being in your country illegally… you have to prosecute them.
It’s your fvcking law.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThey make such a big deal out of ICE covering their face, police SWAT teams, special military units, etc have worn head coverings since the 70's and nobody cared until Trump took office, now it's a big deal to them.. .
We get your what-ifs. All you are really saying is.....Stop with the goal of ICE, get rid of ICE. Do not send illegal aliens back to their country of citizenship. Then, when. you accomplish that, get rid of local police. I see no difference...Can you tell us why we should have police, but NOT NOT NOT have ICE?? Can you respond to this post and tell us why we shuld have police, but NOT NOT NOT hve ICE.???
Thankyou very much.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidDon't be so quick to treat police by military rules. We stopped using military for policing duties long ago.
They make such a big deal out of ICE covering their face, police SWAT teams, special military units, etc have worn head coverings since the 70's and nobody cared until Trump took office, now it's a big deal to them.. .
SWAT support uniformed police who are challenged by heavily armed criminals who won't surrender and they are not Federal.
@shavixmir said@…you have to prosecute them? “” But what if we do not have jurisdiction over them, they’re being citizens of another country?
Again with the house comparison.
It’s not the same.
Good grief.
You’re not allowed to murder people. If you do, then you get prosecuted.
So, if someone breaks another law, say, for example, something stupid like being in your country illegally… you have to prosecute them.
It’s your fvcking law.
While I have you, will you settle Sunhouse down. Do y’all read all that stuff that he sends out or just the ones he send directly to you.?