ICE has deported 160,000 illegals. Only 70 were USA citizens deported by accident

@AverageJoe1 said
How can you write about something you don’t know about. He uses the tariffs only as tools to arrive with trade deals all over the world. Trade deals, Sunhouse. He is all into trade, and has known tariffs are the key, known for 40 years., that tariffs would always be the way to breakthrough. You should write back yes I know now Joe I am a fool to not have recognized what is really going on. I have a feeling he has pulled it off Joe.

You explained it PERFECTLY. You ARE a fool, an ABSOLUTE fool not knowing OR caring what is really going on. Trump is a wanna be dictator and you are just as complicit as anyone in furthering that goal. By being one of the silent ones you aid and abet the end of democracy and we are being run by a THUG and we are living in a THUGAUCRACY Exactly like Hitler minus the death camps.

And you LOVE ICE. I love ice too but only in my tea.

@sonhouse said
You explained it PERFECTLY. You ARE a fool, an ABSOLUTE fool not knowing OR caring what is really going on. Trump is a wanna be dictator and you are just as complicit as anyone in furthering that goal. By being one of the silent ones you aid and abet the end of democracy and we are being run by a THUG and we are living in a THUGAUCRACY Exactly like Hitler minus the death camps.

And you LOVE ICE. I love ice too but only in my tea.

Sonhouse wants to get rid of ICE, and keep alien invaders in our country. A death wish by Sonhouse.

@AverageJoe1 said
Sonhouse wants to get rid of ICE, and keep alien invaders in our country. A death wish by Sonhouse.

No, it is a HUMANITARIAN wish not to rip babies out of the arms of moms and deport American citizens or Trump saying he can kill the social security numbers of anyone he wants which would leave them stateless, no jobs, no pay, homeless and unable to even get emergency care. That is Trump at his finest.
I bet you never even heard of that bit of inhumanity puked out by Trump since all you watch is Newsmax or Fox so called News.

And I have yet to hear you say you want our democracy to continue, the kind where if a POTUS loses he doesn't go off with a triple forked plan to attempt a coup, the insurrection itself and a phone call barrage to AG's of several states BY TRUMP asking for illegal ways to get votes to let him win AND the fake elector scheme.
That was a THREE FOLD DIRECT attack on our democracy and if it had been won by Trump he would have immediately announced his kinghood. As it is now he has to wait for SCOTUS to confirm his rise to Kinghood. He already owns the House and Senate.

@sonhouse said
No, it is a HUMANITARIAN wish not to rip babies out of the arms of moms and deport American citizens or Trump saying he can kill the social security numbers of anyone he wants which would leave them stateless, no jobs, no pay, homeless and unable to even get emergency care. That is Trump at his finest.
I bet you never even heard of that bit of inhumanity puked out by Trump ...[text shortened]... now he has to wait for SCOTUS to confirm his rise to Kinghood. He already owns the House and Senate.

I saw your humanitarian comment on first sentence, Sue mentions that and also empathy a lot. The only response that you are thus looking for? It is to Just give everyone whatever they need. That is your implication.
You should start another thread on that, which prob means that RUSS needs to open up a new debate cateegory, next to Theology.
We are writing about real practical problems.

@AverageJoe1 said
I saw your humanitarian comment on first sentence, Sue mentions that and also empathy a lot. The only response that you are thus looking for? It is to Just give everyone whatever they need. That is your implication.
You should start another thread on that, which prob means that RUSS needs to open up a new debate cateegory, next to Theology.
We are writing about real practical problems.

Ok how about this real practical problem. Jobs report says July picked up 78000 jobs. Not good. But your LORD Trump says FAKE NEWS. LITERALLY.

And fired the long time head Business Labor statistics Erika McEntarfer someone as non political as you can get. just HOURS after that report of not that many new jobs this month. Compare that to Biden's job market, a quarter MILLION a month, month after month and now with the Tariffs and the last 6 months of business folks not knowing what Trump is going to do on a daily basis, no stability in economics.

They can't effectively plan what to buy, what to not buy in terms of parts needed for some production run of many different products, hair dryers, computer parts, Car parts, refrigeration components for grocery stores, whatever, they need STABILITY so they can plan and we have not had that for SIX MONTHS because Trump IS a TACO. Now it's tariffs, a week later no tariffs. Businesses run on STABILITY. So he gets a piss poor jobs report and what does he do HOURS later, fire the messenger. She didn't make up those numbers, analysis of work orders and agents talking to CEO's and the like is where those numbers come from but Trump BLEW up, FAKE numbers he said ON TV.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-orders-firing-bls-commissioner-weak-jobs-report-rcna222531

Now he will hire yet another yes man, note I said MAN, it will for sure NOT be a woman. A man whose one bullet on his resume, TOTAL loyalty to Trump and Trump alone.

That is how you get hired by Trump. He demanded that of James Comey, former head of the FBI, and Comey said my loyalty is to the constitution and a couple days later he is fired and all of a sudden Comey is under attack as a traitor and lots of other pejoratives.
The same will happen to that woman now. The replacement is going to get the EXACT same data Erika told him, so being a nice tame yes man, OH NO, OUR ECONOMY is going STRONG, inflation is running 2.4 percent!! Jobs are up, WAY up. she was LYING.

And OF COURSE you will buy every word of it.
So you should go for a really cushy job because you DO have one bullet on your resume, TOTAL loyalty to your LORD Trump.

Just don't expect to have that great high paying job when the fit hits the shan.

Is that practical enough? My guess is you will just run through that like a bout of diarrhea, boy, glad I got rid of THAT. Don't want to hear ANYTHING about THAT.

Oh and BTW, today as a direct result of the jobs report AND the tariffs, the Dow Jones dumped 500 points in one day.
And let me predict, it will get a LOT worse.

@sonhouse said
Ok how about this real practical problem. Jobs report says July picked up 78000 jobs. Not good. But your LORD Trump says FAKE NEWS. LITERALLY.

And fired the long time head Business Labor statistics Erika McEntarfer someone as non political as you can get. just HOURS after that report of not that many new jobs this month. Compare that to Biden's job market, a quarter MIL ...[text shortened]... e tariffs, the Dow Jones dumped 500 points in one day.
And let me predict, it will get a LOT worse.

you predict the market will drop. You did a few months ago, and based on that, I sold everything!!! Then it went up to about 45000. I had to go back to work!!!! Thanks a LOT!!!

@AverageJoe1 said
you predict the market will drop. You did a few months ago, and based on that, I sold everything!!! Then it went up to about 45000. I had to go back to work!!!! Thanks a LOT!!!

The top 10% own 87% of stocks in this country. https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2025/02/the-top-10/

Everyone knows a Trump, or really any Republican, administration is going to push policies that overwhelmingly favor them over the working and middle class. So the stock market should be rapidly increasing. Instead because of Trump's mercurial temperament reflected in his ever changing policy shifts, investors have been unsure of what the economic outlook is leading to a rather tepid market. https://www.macrotrends.net/2506/dow-jones-performance-under-trump

@no1marauder said
The top 10% own 87% of stocks in this country. https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2025/02/the-top-10/

Everyone knows a Trump, or really any Republican, administration is going to push policies that overwhelmingly favor them over the working and middle class. So the stock market should be rapidly increasing. Instead because of Trump's mercurial temperament reflected in h ...[text shortened]... leading to a rather tepid market. https://www.macrotrends.net/2506/dow-jones-performance-under-trump

I question the top 10% own 87%. Do not most responsible Americans have pensions etc, all invested in the stock market? A LOT of citizens work for corps that make such funds available, the 401Ks or Roth funds, etc. A plethora of them, through their employers or privately. Available to everyone. If the rich get rich as you suggest, there really are big-time coattails that they make available to Americans, with their productivity and their economic growth which flows to the common man. You suggest incorrectly that they just 'keep' their wealth. No, they invest it, the results of which create jobs so others can get rich as well.

@AverageJoe1 said
I question the top 10% own 87%. Do not most responsible Americans have pensions etc, all invested in the stock market? A LOT of citizens work for corps that make such funds available, the 401Ks or Roth funds, etc. A plethora of them, through their employers or privately. Available to everyone. If the rich get rich as you suggest, there really are big-time coattails t ...[text shortened]... their wealth. No, they invest it, the results of which create jobs so others can get rich as well.

We've heard the "trickle down" BS for about 50 years or more.

You still don't understand that most of what the top 10% "invest" in is trading paper and not what is consider "Investment" in Economics. https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Investment.html

Economic investment is fueled by increased consumer spending, not tossing more unearned income to the rich.

That right wingers don't like facts, doesn't make them any less facts. That estimate in an investment blog is on the low side; others give the figure at over 90%. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-ownership-wealthiest-americans-one-percent-record-high-economy-2024-1

@no1marauder said
We've heard the "trickle down" BS for about 50 years or more.

You still don't understand that most of what the top 10% "invest" in is trading paper and not what is consider "Investment" in Economics. https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Investment.html

Economic investment is fueled by increased consumer spending, not tossing more unearned income to the rich.

That ...[text shortened]... r.com/news/stocks/stock-market-ownership-wealthiest-americans-one-percent-record-high-economy-2024-1

As a socialist, your answer to this 'dilemma'..... that some people have made more money, worked harder than others, inherited money, made good choices, did not live beyond their means, or have more children than they could afford, should 'answer for it'. Am I right? Do you want to, instead of living your life in a capitalistic society, want to go after these people? Do you want everyone to have equal everything, amounting to wrestling the assets of one group and givng it to another group?
This is a fair question. Or what else could you have in mind. Like, why mention the rich people if you are not planning to cut them down to size?
A fair question, you opened the door.