@no1marauder saidyou do know moron that people making 20,000 per year would have to help pay for those making 125,000
You do know, moron, that no one making over $125,000 a year was eligible for any relief under Biden's partial student loan forgiveness plan?
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@mott-the-hoople saidThis has been explained to you morons incessantly.
you do know moron that people making 20,000 per year would have to help pay for those making 125,000
You never seem to have a problem with tax cuts that mostly favor the rich even though they forego far more revenue than Biden's partial student loan foregiveness plan. So it's simple hypocrisy and/or ignorance to argue that point in opposition to what operates exactly like a targeted tax cut.
The average beneficiary of the program makes a little bit more than the median household income. They are the sons and daughters of working and middle class parents who didn't have the luxury of having mommy and daddy pay for their education. This is fake class war with right wingers dishonestly pretending they care about the "little guy" while screwing their kids who were motivated and smart enough to get a college education.
43 million of them will be eligible to vote next year. Do you think it will slip their minds that Republicans f'ed them over?
@averagejoe1 saidTo Suzianne, Ieft this out of post where I asked you if you disagree with this philosophy...
Must have been a computer error, sorry.
But since you brought her up, what is wrong with this philosophy which her character Howard Roark lives by? Please tell me, I promise to no insult you any more. Gotta know. I STRIVE for this philosophy. Why do you not, pray tell?
"Roark is an example of free will — the theory that an individual has the power, by virtue of the choices he makes, to control the outcome of his own life. A man's thinking and values are not controlled by God or the fates or society or any external factor — but solely by his own choice."
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@no1marauder saidYou would lose, and the blow-up was a demonstrative way to make her point, you libs are so touchy and emotional that you lack literary skills when reading between the lines and such.
You think people should be allowed to blow up buildings they don't own? He does share your disdain for democracy and a belief that a few should rule over the many.
I'd bet a million dollars you never read The Fountainhead.
You do NOT lack Nexis Lexis skills, that is for sure. I bet you a million that it is never far away from you. Many lawyers use that service, but all the fantastic lawyers in my day did not need it.
Some, it seems. need the crutch.
As to disdain for democracy, I call it mob rule, and yes, I have disdain. Marx loved mounting a good soap box in red square, to assemble his masses, his mob.
PS. You need to read up on the Constitution etc to see what, indeed, the framers and the resulting Congress were scared of. They feared that all the average citizens would have direct control, rather than representative representations. Mobs Ruling. Which you want,,and which you may get. Your pure 'democracy'. You can be Sonhouse's right hand man.
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@no1marauder saidThis is total BS, and note that Marauder, as does Sonhouse, speculates as to 'how it will all come down'. How if will ultlimately benefit the bricklayer whose money pays for tuition of his neighbor's son.
This has been explained to you morons incessantly.
You never seem to have a problem with tax cuts that mostly favor the rich even though they forego far more revenue than Biden's partial student loan foregiveness plan. So it's simple hypocrisy and/or ignorance to argue that point in opposition to what operates exactly like a targeted tax cut.
The average beneficiary ...[text shortened]... e eligible to vote next year. Do you think it will slip their minds that Republicans f'ed them over?
Marauder foretells. He f'n foretells. Here in black and white. He lays out a dreamy scenario out of the recesses of his mind, and writes as if it will all happen Just That Way.! Assumes that people, the govt, the economy, climate control, the acceptance of pregant men, will all happen just as in his pollyanna mind.
This Marauder is trouble, fellas. Screw lose? Think about it. How would he fare without Nexis or his mounds of research. Condescending,, all knowing, Bot characteristics, phony elements of AI. Be very careful, indeed. Me, I'd buy you a cup of coffee and we'd have a knee slapping time.
There is no emoji of Marauder sitting back and laughing. Because, he can't.
Well, gotta turn in. Don;'t put all your marbles with him...he just may be wrong. Imagine that!!!
@AverageJoe1
One More Thing. It is well assumed by the powers that be that th end result of 'tuitions' is, get ready, will go up. I aint going to look this up for y'all, but since tuitions for the next students will be thousands higher (it's business, folks) the loan forgiveness will be fruitless, and, expensive.
@averagejoe1 saidI can see why you hate the sons and daughters of working class and middle class parents who actually went out and got an education while you preferred, and still prefer, to wallow in your ignorance.
This is total BS, and note that Marauder, as does Sonhouse, speculates as to 'how it will all come down'. How if will ultlimately benefit the bricklayer whose money pays for tuition of his neighbor's son.
Marauder foretells. He f'n foretells. Here in black and white. He lays out a dreamy scenario out of the recesses of his mind, and writes as if it will all happ ...[text shortened]... Well, gotta turn in. Don;'t put all your marbles with him...he just may be wrong. Imagine that!!!
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@averagejoe1 saidBecause it’s utter claptrap, that’s why.
Must have been a computer error, sorry.
But since you brought her up, what is wrong with this philosophy which her character Howard Roark lives by? Please tell me, I promise to no insult you any more. Gotta know. I STRIVE for this philosophy. Why do you not, pray tell?
The rational human being?
My God, just look at this forum for your proof.
Objectivism? How heroic are most people in real life, do you think?
And there have been many studies which prove that the essence of human behaviour is two-fold:
- to proceate
- to protect children (even those not your own)
And these go above own happiness and self-preservation.
Now, why did the Atlas shrug in the first place? As a reaction. For example, communism is an economic system which stems from a philosophy. And capitalism is not. A philosophy was created for it to give it some substance.
Oh, people are all greedy and anything is acceptable because it is all about one’s own happiness. Really now? Is that as deep as you can think. Even you feel it can’t be true.
Even you don’t believe that psychopathic behaviour is acceptable. Or that narcissists are correct.
Even you must sense that protecting property whilst you look out a window and see a starving mother hold a starving baby is incorrect. And that justifications for it, is nothing more than clutching at straws.
And that Rand, herself, turning out to be the greatest hypocrite of all, is to add the proverbial cherry to the cake of garbage which her philosophy is.
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@shavixmir saidThe Pseud Known as Shag Doody for Brains,
Because it’s utter claptrap, that’s why.
The rational human being?
My God, just look at this forum for your proof.
Objectivism? How heroic are most people in real life, do you think?
And there have been many studies which prove that the essence of human behaviour is two-fold:
- to proceate
- to protect children (even those not your own)
And these go above own ...[text shortened]... st hypocrite of all, is to add the proverbial cherry to the cake of garbage which her philosophy is.
Many points here and none of them correct, at my leisure I may pick one at a time to deal with in order to give you less opportunity for your snake slithering.
Shag Doody said:
"Oh, people are all greedy and anything is acceptable because it is all about one’s own happiness."
Greed is an excessive desire, and excessive anything is not good, that is the very definition of the word 'excessive'. So greed is not 'all about one's own happiness' as you ineloquently put it. Whether it's your excessive desire for horse dick dildos or Uncle Scrooge McDucks excessive desire for money, this is not the road to happiness.
But excessive desire? By who's standard? And here we see why 'greed' is shatmixers favorite bogeymen. It enables shatmixer to put a target on the back of the wealthy. It gives him an excuse to make claims on their wealth.
I challenge you to quote any Rand where she speaks favorably of greed. It's just another typical example of your ridiculous straw man desperation technique.
I strongly advise, at most, a single ijit emoji response.
@averagejoe1 saidLive by the cherry-pick, die by the cherry-pick.
To Suzianne, Ieft this out of post where I asked you if you disagree with this philosophy...
"Roark is an example of free will — the theory that an individual has the power, by virtue of the choices he makes, to control the outcome of his own life. A man's thinking and values are not controlled by God or the fates or society or any external factor — but solely by his own choice."
@wajoma saidRead her tripe yourself then.
The Pseud Known as Shag Doody for Brains,
Many points here and none of them correct, at my leisure I may pick one at a time to deal with in order to give you less opportunity for your snake slithering.
Shag Doody said:
"Oh, people are all greedy and anything is acceptable because it is all about one’s own happiness."
Greed is an excessive desire, and excessi ...[text shortened]... culous straw man desperation technique.
I strongly advise, at most, a single ijit emoji response.
"Selfishness does not mean only to do things for one's self. One may do things, affecting others, for his own pleasure and benefit. This is not immoral, but the highest of morality."
“Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values.”
“I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows.”
Greed is what follows from egoism.
Just like stupidity follows from reading Rand.
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@shavixmir saidSHag Doooody, you missed this:
Read her tripe yourself then.
"Selfishness does not mean only to do things for one's self. One may do things, affecting others, for his own pleasure and benefit. This is not immoral, but the highest of morality."
“Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral i ...[text shortened]... est follows.”
Greed is what follows from egoism.
Just like stupidity follows from reading Rand.
"I challenge you to quote any Rand where she speaks favorably of greed. It's just another typical example of your ridiculous straw man desperation technique."
Those quotes, at least the first two speak against greed. You're making my point for me.
You speak against greed, Rand speaks against greed, you quote Rand, haha, you're an ijit.
Edit: Thumbs up for the Rand quotes, you got a couple of beauties there. ;^)
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@shavixmir saidOk, let's look at the first one.
Read her tripe yourself then.
"Selfishness does not mean only to do things for one's self. One may do things, affecting others, for his own pleasure and benefit. This is not immoral, but the highest of morality."
“Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral i ...[text shortened]... est follows.”
Greed is what follows from egoism.
Just like stupidity follows from reading Rand.
"Selfishness does not mean only to do things for one's self. One may do things, affecting others, for his own pleasure and benefit. This is not immoral, but the highest of morality."
Because this also addresses your comment about raising kids. Your view of raising kids is that it is sacrifice where as most parents will comment it's one of the most rewarding things they've done in their life. They (the parents) 'do things' for other people, (i.e. their children) and in the end they themselves (i.e. the parents) receive pleasure and benefit.
Excessive desire is greed, greed is excessive desire, excessive desire is not in ones own rational best interests. We can both agree Rand was strong on rational self interest, therefore while I'm not aware of Rand speaking directly about greed it is logical that greed is not in ones rational self interest and therefore Rand was opposed to greed. Greed might be considered 'mindless self-indulgence' which the second quote directly speaks of in the negative.
You're actually quoting Rand being anti-greed.
Then your wild assertion 'egoism leads to greed', trying frantically to hinge your whole argument on that one word. Seriously shatmixer, if you're anti-Rand you shouldn't post her quotes they're back firing greatly.
Edit: Ok you're venturing beyond the single ijit emoji, kudos to you. But don't quote Rand, you have to copy paste critics of Rand like ATY does. FFS don't try to think for yourself, it's embarrassing.
@wajoma saidYou can wiggle all you want.
Ok, let's look at the first one.
"Selfishness does not mean only to do things for one's self. One may do things, affecting others, for his own pleasure and benefit. This is not immoral, but the highest of morality."
Because this also addresses your comment about raising kids. Your view of raising kids is that it is sacrifice where as most parents will comment it's one o ...[text shortened]... to copy paste critics of Rand like ATY does. FFS don't try to think for yourself, it's embarrassing.
Selfishness leads to greed.
For what is greed, other than taking more than you need at the expense of others. And all manner of property is to a certain extent that.
You'd best stick to the koala fukking.
@shavixmir saidAgreed. This is exactly why I find Ayn Rand disgusting.
Read her tripe yourself then.
"Selfishness does not mean only to do things for one's self. One may do things, affecting others, for his own pleasure and benefit. This is not immoral, but the highest of morality."
“Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral i ...[text shortened]... est follows.”
Greed is what follows from egoism.
Just like stupidity follows from reading Rand.