Illegals cost US $4B more than Trump's Wall

@lundos said
LOL. Are you kidding me? Back to trying to insult me. I understand what you were trying to say but what comes out is useless rambling. I can also see you are using your own definition of concise.

I'm trying to get you to understand that even if there is a universal truth on a theoretical level it doesn't matter in the real world.

@wajoma said
'even if there is a universal truth' LOL LOL LOL LOL

LOL LOL LOL

haha

The logic behind explaining how to different statements about the same thing cannot both be true cannot possibly be stated more concisely or dumbed down. I challenge you to do so. You have taken to arguing against reality, like the 'no man is an island' red herring, it's just a cover for your claim on the lives of others, if nothing is true then anything can be true,

@lundos said
Okay. How would you error-less measure and uphold the truth for multiple people over time?

Of course it can between humans. Because people remember things differently. And even if you record something people see it differently. For each of them they see or remember an experienced truth.
I'm not saying nothing is true or truth is useless as a concept. That's another straw ...[text shortened]... stand this concept is difficult and psychology is unknown for you, but please stick to it this time.

@wajoma said
Step one: Realise there is only one reality, that there are not 6 billion different realities, two people holding different views on the same thing cannot both be right, this is not "for arguments sake" or "even if there is a universal truth"

There is something that exists and because different people perceive things differently does not negate the reality of that which exists.

Philosophical not psychological, as much as you'd like to derail the convo.

@lundos said
Actually, that depends on who you ask. There are plenty of philosophical theories that operate with multiple realities.

But just for fun. Who defines that one reality? The Universe? Nature? God(s)? You?
If you and I experience the same event in different ways who decides what actually happened?

You've given me a quote so let me reciprocate with one of my favourite qu ...[text shortened]... nother, then each man declares the other a fool and a heretic.”

Ludwig Wittgenstein, On Certainty

@wajoma said
In your quote do you suppose that both go away saying "We're both right, because there is no right or wrong"

@wajoma said
Here's another one for you:

“This above all: to thine own self be true and it must follow, as the night the day
Thou canst not then be false to any man/Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!”

Shakespeare

Life changing, and if anyone needs it right now, it's you.

Really....why not just say it. This is all anonymous, so what hurt could it do to just say what they really think about how society should interact? Marauder has done OK with that, he has made it clear about what Obama said, to transform America and spread the wealth around. He has not, however, said how that could work, given that some people work harder than others. I fully expect that if he were honest, he would say that the harder workers should just temper it down a bit.

@ccpatzer said
Sorry Hun. I have a vagina and the funny part is you act like you have one.

@lundos said
I'm saying that you will call me a fool no matter what I write if you think we disagree on a fundamental level.

@no1marauder said
Are you, like Earl, just another LINO (Libertarian In Name Only)?

@averagejoe1 said
OK, for fun, I will state the obvious. The wall will be built and we will get a final bill. At that time, President Trump will sign the last check and be paraded by his patriots. The wall will cost NOTHING after that.

@wajoma said
The welfare state rides on the back of prosperity created by others

@wajoma said
I stated something very clearly, very concisely, as dumbed down as possible

@shallow-blue said
Capitalism.

It's capitalism which rides on the back of prosperity created by others.