Originally posted by daniel58 Don't exactly what "death panels" is. If you are talking about the health care plan being in favor of those things I mentioned above then yes, just because you don't think it's true doesn't mean it isn't, you guys don't know all the things behind the scenes, I know "you'd have to be pretty insane to come up with this" but don't but it pass them.
I posted a full text to the bill on the first page of this thread.
By all means, show me where these death panels are in the bill.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn Birth control is preventing pregnancy. That's not murder. It's not even close. Can you actually provide an argument to backup your claim?
You're saying that's what happened.. what are you saying happened???
True but, 1. if she's already pregnant than it does kill the child, which is murder, 2. It prevents her getting pregnant which is a sin in itself.
Originally posted by daniel58 True but, 1. if she's already pregnant than it does kill the child, which is murder, 2. It prevents her getting pregnant which is a sin in itself.
People refused to treat a 90 year old.. on it's face that sounds terrible. Now, when did this happen specifically (do you have a news story to link to?) and what does this have to do with Obama's health plan that hasn't even become law yet?
Originally posted by PsychoPawn Preventing unwanted pregnancies prevents abortions.
People refused to treat a 90 year old.. on it's face that sounds terrible. Now, when did this happen specifically (do you have a news story to link to?) and what does this have to do with Obama's health plan that hasn't even become law yet?
It also prevents children being born, that's like saying me killing you, prevents you killing two other people.
I don't remember I saw it posted somewhere on this site, it was probably zeeblebot, why don't you ask him, he probably knows.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn It also prevents children being born, that's like saying me killing you, prevents you killing two other people.
It does prevent children from being born and that's not always a bad thing. It prevents unwanted children from being born.
[i]I don't remember I saw it posted somewhere on this site, it was probably zeeblebot, why don't you ask him ...[text shortened]... ng other people about your claims. If you can't support your claims then don't make them.
What if you're an unwanted does that mean I should kill you?
I can you just don't want to do something that I said would back up my claim.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn What if you're an unwanted does that mean I should kill you?
Ridiculous comparison. Preventing a pregnancy isn't killing someone.
I can you just don't want to do something that I said would back up my claim.
If you can support your claim then do it! Supporting your claim doesn't mean asking me to go asking others to do it for you.
I think he's confusing abortion with birth control. Not that I agree that abortion is murder, but again, he's confused.
Now there is ONE form of birth control that the pro-lifers can put in the same catagory as abortion and that's the morning after pill, which (can) terminate a pregnancy a day or two after fertilization of the egg.
But in the overwhelming majorty of the cases, condoms, the pill, foam, etc. birth control prevents pregnancy to begin with.
I would like to see where in the Bible it says birth control is a sin.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn What if you're an unwanted does that mean I should kill you?
Ridiculous comparison. Preventing a pregnancy isn't killing someone.
I can you just don't want to do something that I said would back up my claim.
If you can support your claim then do it! Supporting your claim doesn't mean asking me to go asking others to do it for you.
Okay how about I put you in a jail cell with no food and water, then after 20 years I'll come back, I didn't actually "kill" you but I did prevent you from living.
I messaged him and will get back to you on that one.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper I think he's confusing abortion with birth control. Not that I agree that abortion is murder, but again, he's confused.
Now there is ONE form of birth control that the pro-lifers can put in the same catagory as abortion and that's the morning after pill, which (can) terminate a pregnancy a day or two after fertilization of the egg.
But in t ...[text shortened]... ncy to begin with.
I would like to see where in the Bible it says birth control is a sin.
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