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@sh76 saidIt was a typical Civil War. The Palestinians did not want their land (now Israel) taken by the Zionists so after the British left they fought to take it back. Like Lincoln fought to take the South back. Like Milosevic fought to take Kosovo back.
The tit-for-tat violence between Israel and its neighbors started before 1947 and has never stopped to this day.
Any one arbitrary event you cherry pick wasn't the "start" of the violence, just one more chain in the never ending cycle.
Here's a radical suggestion: If Egypt and Jordan weren't interested in war with Israel, possibly they could have considered not engaging in acts of war and military threats, whether they intended to invade or not.
Just as Lincoln did not accept the existence of the Confederacy Israel's existence was not accepted by Palestinians. Not so different. But the war was also fought by Israeli terrorist groups. That was different. From the link below:
"Paramilitary forces from the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang (also called Lehi), acting independently of Ben-Gurion’s direction, attacked the Arab village of Deir Yassin, which overlooked the highway between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and killed about 100 of its inhabitants. An attack by Arabs four days later killed some 80 Jews, most of them medics, on the way to Rothschild-Hadassah University Hospital in Jerusalem"
https://www.britannica.com/event/1948-Arab-Israeli-War
The Stern Gang and Urgun were fanatical terrorist Zionists. The fanatics were not only on one side.
@Metal-Brain saidI don't remember every saying I preferred Trump.
I have no idea what you are talking about. How would you know what is "bot like"? Do bots identify themselves? How do you know?
Do bots remember you are a lawyer who told me you preferred Trump out of the 3 hardcore Zionist POTUS candidates at that time? How much does AI remember and how do they form a reply using that memory? Do you even know or are you making this up as you go along?
If you can find me the thread where I said I "preferred Trump out of the 3 hardcore Zionist POTUS candidates at that time" I'll concede that you're not a bot.
@no1marauder saidPrime ministers like Yitzhak Shamir were in the terrorist groups Irgun and the later offshoot Lehi.
It's amazing that Zionists are still insisting on this fairy tale.
"Neither U.S. nor Israeli intelligence assessed that there was any kind of serious threat of an Egyptian attack. On the contrary, both considered the possibility that Nasser might strike first as being extremely slim."
"Yitzhak Rabin, who would later become Prime Minister, told Le Monde the year foll ...[text shortened]... have accepted offered UN peacekeepers on its side of the border.
Please stop with this nonsense.
From the link below:
"During World War II the Irgun split over the question of whether to support the Axis Powers against the British Empire. Avraham Stern and Shamir sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany and formed the breakaway militia group Lehi. Lehi was unable to persuade the Axis powers to lend it support. Shamir led Lehi after Stern's assassination in 1942. In 1944 Shamir married Lehi member Shulamit Levy. During the 1948 Palestine war, Lehi and the Irgun committed the Deir Yassin massacre of over 100 Palestinians."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir
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@Metal-Brain saidAnd yet, you don't see the former Confederacy still blowing up cafes in Philadelphia and launching missiles at Columbus.
It was a typical Civil War. The Palestinians did not want their land (now Israel) taken by the Zionists so after the British left they fought to take it back. Like Lincoln fought to take the South back. Like Milosevic fought to take Kosovo back.
Just as Lincoln did not accept the existence of the Confederacy Israel's existence was not accepted by Palestinians. Not so ...[text shortened]...
The Stern Gang and Urgun were fanatical terrorist Zionists. The fanatics were not only on one side.
Usually, when a side loses a war, the losing side gets over it, recovers, rebuilds, and tries to do better in the future. That was the tact Germany and Japan took. the US South too.
They don't become professional terrorist crybabies ad infinitum.
When the Nazis slaughtered European Jewry, the Jews didn't become professional refugees carrying out suicide bombings in Berlin for 5 decades and keep demanding the right to return to the Polish and Russian backcountry. We re-built, re-constituted and moved on. And took steps to make it harder for the next Nazis to do the same.
Of course it's not all the Palestinians' fault. It's also the fault of the rest of the Arab world who have refused to welcome and support the Palestinians in endeavors other than Israel-hate.
It's probably the hateful Islamist ideology that has prevented the Palestinians from turning Gaza into Dubai.
@sh76 saidNow you are being a crybaby. Always portraying Israel as the victim by crying about the other side's terrorism. Irgun and LEHI were fanatical Israeli terrorist groups. Seventh prime minister of Israel, Yitzhak Shamir was in those groups and he and Stern tried to ally with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.
And yet, you don't see the former Confederacy still blowing up cafes in Philadelphia and launching missiles at Columbus.
Usually, when a side loses a war, the losing side gets over it, recovers, rebuilds, and tries to do better in the future. That was the tact Germany and Japan took. the US South too.
They don't become professional terrorist crybabies ad infinitum.
When ...[text shortened]... ably the hateful Islamist ideology that has prevented the Palestinians from turning Gaza into Dubai.
Stop trying to play the victim. Yitzhak Shamir was a terrorist. The Zionists voted a terrorist into office who tried to ally with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.
@sh76 saidI don't even know the name of the thread. You did say it though. I don't know why you did because I thought you were a democrat and was surprised at your answer.
I don't remember every saying I preferred Trump.
If you can find me the thread where I said I "preferred Trump out of the 3 hardcore Zionist POTUS candidates at that time" I'll concede that you're not a bot.
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@AThousandYoung saidThe firt preliminary assessment has changed a lot.https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-2025-06-23/
WASHINGTON/TEL AVIV/ISTANBUL, June 24 (Reuters) - U.S. airstrikes did not destroy Iran's nuclear capability and only set it back by a few months, according to a preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-irans-nuclear-program-severely-damaged-trump-iran-strikes-fbi-probes-leak/
@Metal-Brain saidContext is everything.
Now you are being a crybaby. Always portraying Israel as the victim by crying about the other side's terrorism. Irgun and LEHI were fanatical Israeli terrorist groups. Seventh prime minister of Israel, Yitzhak Shamir was in those groups and he and Stern tried to ally with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.
Stop trying to play the victim. Yitzhak Shamir was a terrorist. The Zionists voted a terrorist into office who tried to ally with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.
If you agree to pay ransom, is that an "alliance" with the kidnappers? Well, maybe.
"Allying" with Germany and Italy would have been for the purpose of allowing Jews to get the Hell out of Germany and Italy by giving them a place to go to; i.e., then-British Palestine. That's a practical deal, not an ideological alliance.
I don't expect most people to be nuanced enough to understand this distinction.
@sh76 saidExcept, if you had bothered to read the article, you'd realize that those specific Israeli attacks and Syrian and Jordanian complaints that Egypt was doing nothing in response to even though she was militarily allied to both countries led directly to the withdrawal of the UN peacekeepers and the "blockade" (such as it was) of the Straits of Tiran.
The tit-for-tat violence between Israel and its neighbors started before 1947 and has never stopped to this day.
Any one arbitrary event you cherry pick wasn't the "start" of the violence, just one more chain in the never ending cycle.
Here's a radical suggestion: If Egypt and Jordan weren't interested in war with Israel, possibly they could have considered not engaging in acts of war and military threats, whether they intended to invade or not.
Israel knew damn well that Egypt wasn't going to launch any massive attack and also knew they had overwhelming military superiority. Your version remains hogwash.
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@sh76 saidLet's compare what the US would have had to do with the population of the Confederacy to equal what the Israelis did to the Palestinians in 1947-48:
And yet, you don't see the former Confederacy still blowing up cafes in Philadelphia and launching missiles at Columbus.
Usually, when a side loses a war, the losing side gets over it, recovers, rebuilds, and tries to do better in the future. That was the tact Germany and Japan took. the US South too.
They don't become professional terrorist crybabies ad infinitum.
When ...[text shortened]... ably the hateful Islamist ideology that has prevented the Palestinians from turning Gaza into Dubai.
1) They would have had to drive 80% of the South's population out of their homes in the now defunct CSA into refugee camps in Mexico, Canada and Latin American countries;
2) They would have had to quickly pass legislation denying those refugees the chance of ever returning;
3) They would have passed laws seizing their homes, properties, farms and businesses for use by future immigrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Yeah, why couldn't the Palestinians "just get over it"?
@no1marauder saidNow do Germany and Jews.
Let's compare what the US would have had to do with the population of the Confederacy to equal what the Israelis did to the Palestinians in 1947-48:
1) They would have had to drive 80% of the South's population out of their homes in the now defunct CSA into refugee camps in Mexico, Canada and Latin American countries;
2) They would have had to quickly pass legislati ...[text shortened]... s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Yeah, why couldn't the Palestinians "just get over it"?
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@no1marauder saidIf the Jews had your reasoning and foresight, they would be dead long ago. Thankfully they can see. Egypt nationalised the Suez in October of 1956 and closed it off immediately to Israeli shipping.
Except, if you had bothered to read the article, you'd realize that those specific Israeli attacks and Syrian and Jordanian complaints that Egypt was doing nothing in response to even though she was militarily allied to both countries led directly to the withdrawal of the UN peacekeepers and the "blockade" (such as it was) of the Straits of Tiran.
Israel knew damn well ...[text shortened]... ssive attack and also knew they had overwhelming military superiority. Your version remains hogwash.
This is an act of war, and is contrary to international law. Foreign assets cannot justifiably be nationalised at will and if it is done it must be done to secure some national interest and the owners must be properly compensated. This caused a big problem for years between Egypt and the French/British company that owned the Seuz.
@no1marauder saidI'm suggesting that staying in refugee camps for 80 years, insisting unrealistically on unwinding what happened, engaging in a low/high (in spurts) level terror campaign, and using religious dogma as a reason that you have to wipe out the other guy, is a counterproductive strategy.
Are you suggesting that Jews should have "just gotten over" the Holocaust?
And/or that any treatment of a People is acceptable if it falls short of attempted extermination?
Moving on and building back better (sorry to borrow the phrase, Joe) is more constructive.
Countries and peoples that lose wars and decide to make the best of the future do better than countries and peoples that refuse to concede to the reality.
What is acceptable or not is an entirely different question. I'll be the first to concede that Israel hasn't always behaved properly towards the Palestinians and I am very much in favor of a peaceful two-state solution. But it's not like The Palestinians have exactly cooperated with that vision.