Iran agrees to total cease-fire !

@sh76 said
I'm suggesting that staying in refugee camps for 80 years, insisting unrealistically on unwinding what happened, engaging in a low/high (in spurts) level terror campaign, and using religious dogma as a reason that you have to wipe out the other guy, is a counterproductive strategy.

Moving on and building back better (sorry to borrow the phrase, Joe) is more constructive.

C ...[text shortened]... ful two-state solution. But it's not like The Palestinians have exactly cooperated with that vision.

Do you deliberately engage in what you know is false propaganda as a debating tactic?

Claiming that Palestinians just decided to stay in refugee camps for 80 years is pretty absurd BS even for a Zionist.

And the PLO was hardly a group that engaged in a lot of "religious dogma"; I guess you're playing the Rajk game of pretending all Palestinians share Hamas ideology. The slogans I hear emanating from the Palestinian Resistance are far more nationalist than religious.

How long a resistance lasts kinda depends on how long occupation and oppression do. Your "solution" that the Palestinians just throw up their hands and do what the Zionists want them to in the hope that someone like Netanyahu might then decide to be accommodating to their interests is noted . A failure to put at least some military pressure on an occupier doesn't have a great historical track record of success particularly where the occupied territory is contiguous to the oppressor nation.

@sh76 said
Context is everything.

If you agree to pay ransom, is that an "alliance" with the kidnappers? Well, maybe.

"Allying" with Germany and Italy would have been for the purpose of allowing Jews to get the Hell out of Germany and Italy by giving them a place to go to; i.e., then-British Palestine. That's a practical deal, not an ideological alliance.

I don't expect most people to be nuanced enough to understand this distinction.

WOW! You are so full of it.

Hitler was a Zionist. He supported a Jewish homeland so the Jews in Germany would leave and go there. A different motive of course, but he supported a Jewish homeland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

Your kidnappers narrative is a complete and utter lie. Proud of yourself?
And a Jewish state in Palestine was not the first choice by Jewish Zionists.

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/magazine/before-israel-jews-considered-settling-in-western-kenya--1340104

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Jewish_state

You can keep making up lies to fit your false narrative if you want to continue making a fool of yourself. Go for it. I can do this all day or night. I know history better than you do. No bot can do this so well. That was just your ridiculous conspiracy theory while putting down conspiracy theories. Smooth move dude.

@no1marauder said
Do you deliberately engage in what you know is false propaganda as a debating tactic?

Claiming that Palestinians just decided to stay in refugee camps for 80 years is pretty absurd BS even for a Zionist.

And the PLO was hardly a group that engaged in a lot of "religious dogma"; I guess you're playing the Rajk game of pretending all Palestinians share Hamas ideology ...[text shortened]... k record of success particularly where the occupied territory is contiguous to the oppressor nation.

More nonsense ..
- Refugee Camps. No sane community even the most backward, live as a refugee for over 75 years. Clearly they are enjoying it, living for free, collecting money and food and then complaining they have nowhere to live. In Gaza they collect over a $billion US and this is spent on building tunnels and buying weapons. Like I said Palestinian Arabs are stupid people.

- Support for Hamas. Maybe now after being clobbered for 18 months they are changing their minds about Hamas. That has nothing to do with initial support. Check this

JERUSALEM, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

Dance in the street when Jews are killed and then cry when it is time for payback ... blooming morons.