@vivify saidYou don't get to assert that a practice that was outlawed 54 years ago is the driving factor behind unequal outcomes today without more evidence.
I already established that in my reply to Shav.
You further prove my point. Systemic racism so well-documented, that I started this thread discussing "hidden" racism under the assumption that you are all aware it. Yet despite decades of evidence, you still demand this idea to be proven.
Start with the link I posted about redlining. We'll progress from there.
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@kevcvs57 saidYOU AIN'T AS SHARP AS I THOUGHT, OPEN YOUR EYES
“ I'll start with what racism is NOT established by: unequal outcomes.”
That’s a big assumption without any justification.
How would you explain a disproportionate number of African Americans in poverty? Whilst proving it has nothing to do with racism?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/redlining-what-is-history-mike-bloomberg-comments/
https://revealnews.org/blog/we-exposed-modern-day-redlining-in-61-cities-find-out-whats-happened-since/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redlining/
@vivify saidNo one should be aware of something that isn't proven. And your assumption that we need to take action without actual proof of a wrong is improperly shifting the burden of proof.
I already established that in my reply to Shav.
You further prove my point. Systemic racism so well-documented, that I started this thread discussing "hidden" racism under the assumption that you are all aware it. Yet despite decades of evidence, you still demand this idea to be proven.
Start with the link I posted about redlining. We'll progress from there.
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I can tell you one instance I saw with my own eyes. My wife's best friend, Darlene, her mom was a real estate broker, and the subject of blacks moving into central Ohio area they live in, I asked her how you go about blocking sales to blacks, she just said, and I quote, 'We have our ways'.
Pretty obvious racism carefully hidden.
The fact you had to ask that question shows you are either clueless as to rampant racism inherent in the US or a racist yourself. Which one is it?
If you say you are racist, you won't affect your street cred at all and in fact will be climbing the totem pole making you more visible to the rest of the racist crowd here so you can have buddies here you maybe didn't know you could have had.
@quackquack saidI stated there is the possibility of racism.
You are assuming your conclusion. In your example you presented literally zero evidence that blacks are denied from moving into a neighborhood and provided a non-racist counter explanation (finances). Yet somehow you conclude that there is hidden racism. It is both non-persuasive and offensive to claim racism without a shred of evidence.
And, of course, as someone else pointed out, if you’re on the receiving end of poverty, then it’s possible you see it as racist anyway.
@averagejoe1 saidWhat don’t you get about it.
I don get your comment that people without college education, implying a lesser income or net worth, should have the wherewithal to buy a $600K house?
If you earn 30.000 a year. You can’t afford to live in a 100.000 year house.
@jimm619 saidWhat aspect of my post could be construed as denying the reality of redlining in the states.
YOU AIN'T AS SHARP AS I THOUGHT, OPEN YOUR EYES
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/redlining-what-is-history-mike-bloomberg-comments/
https://revealnews.org/blog/we-exposed-modern-day-redlining-in-61-cities-find-out-whats-happened-since/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redlining/
Did you miss the quotation marks🤔
@sonhouse saidLet's make one thing really clear. I am not a racist because you claim you have evidence that the mother of your wife's best friend in Ohio is a racist.
@quackquack
I can tell you one instance I saw with my own eyes. My wife's best friend, Darlene, her mom was a real estate broker, and the subject of blacks moving into central Ohio area they live in, I asked her how you go about blocking sales to blacks, she just said, and I quote, 'We have our ways'.
Pretty obvious racism carefully hidden.
The fact you had to ask that q ...[text shortened]... rest of the racist crowd here so you can have buddies here you maybe didn't know you could have had.
Assuming you can prove these claims, I have no problem with Darlene's mom being sued civilly or convicted criminally for her actions. I do however have a big problem with a general statement that our whole country is hiding racism and an even bigger problem with someone deciding that I owe compensation because you believe Darlene's mom is a racist.
@shavixmir saidAnd that is a non-racist explanation for why you wouldnt find someone who earn 30,000 per year in a particular house.
What don’t you get about it.
If you earn 30.000 a year. You can’t afford to live in a 100.000 year house.
@sh76 saidTwo things you're not getting:
You don't get to assert that a practice that was outlawed 54 years ago is the driving factor behind unequal outcomes today without more evidence.
a) an entire generation of people were denied equal housing; those racist practices affect generational wealth and promotes the income inequality of future generations
b) That is just ONE example. For you to believe that racism ended with laws against discrimination is tragically naïve. Do you honestly think redlining was the only form of racism going on? Do you think unfair housing practices were the only types of oppression? Compounded with redlining were various forms of voting discrimination, employment discrimination, legal injustices, etc. Many of these issues continue today.
Do you demand proof of this as well?
Regardless, this is the effect of hidden racism. You know what, maybe you've proven this is actually worse than overt racism; because people such as yourself don't even believe there's a problem, even with decades of well-known, well-documented evidence.
@quackquack saidAnother tragically ignorant person.
No one should be aware of something that isn't proven.
Systemic racism has already been proven, time and time again, for decades. The effects of racism, both past and present, have been proven over and over on this forum, in textbooks, in schools, by government agencies, etc. etc.
@quackquack saidThe same people who are ignorant of the facts that CRT aims to teach are the same people who try to stop CRT from being taught, thereby perpetuating that same ignorance.
And that is a non-racist explanation for why you wouldnt find someone who earn 30,000 per year in a particular house.
This is the dark comedy of American racism.
@quackquack saidYes… as my post makes abundantly clear, it’s a poverty problem.
And that is a non-racist explanation for why you wouldnt find someone who earn 30,000 per year in a particular house.
What is your point? You can’t read? Comprehension problems?
Or do you just get very defensive when the topic of racism comes by?
But, there could be racist motives involved. Sure, so many blacks in prison could be cultural. And so many blacks being shot by cops could be bad luck. And so many blacks getting paid less for doing the same job, could be coincidence.
When you add things up, the poverty trap does seem to seep into racism… sexism…
And when people are very poor and uneducated, they’re easily seduced into blaming groups for their predicament, rather than a system.
It’s all possible. However, as I stated, racism in the US is far more likely to be a consequence / symptom, rather than the cause.