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Is being openly racist better than hiding it?

Is being openly racist better than hiding it?

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@vivify said
What are you talking about? What claim did I make without evidence?
Are you having memory loss? You claimed that people make racist decision and hide it. But since you have no evidence we are all better off if you acknowledge that you claimed nothing.


@quackquack
Oh? Tell that to the repub zombie states with their 400+ voter suppression bills specifically designed to stop people of color from voting.


@quackquack said
Are you having memory loss? You claimed that people make racist decision and hide it. But since you have no evidence we are all better off if you acknowledge that you claimed nothing.
What *specifically* are you disputing? I don't think even you know what you're talking about. You're ranting like a senile old man.

Are you disputing that people hide their racism?


@vivify said
What *specifically* are you disputing? I don't think even you know what you're talking about. You're ranting like a senile old man.

Are you disputing that people hide their racism?
Are you disputing that you are asking for remedies from situations that you claim are racism and can't prove? Instead of calling me names because I won't agree with you when you are wrong, understand that you have the burden of proof when you make allegations.


@quackquack said
Are you disputing that you are asking for remedies from situations that you claim are racism and can't prove?
No. The OP's question is whether open racism is worse than racism that's hidden.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Apparently, neither do you.

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@vivify said
Never mind. Thread over. We have the answer: overt racism is far less insidious and frustrating than when it's hidden, as this thread proves.
I’d have to disagree.
The main reason racism is generally hidden where I live is because it’s perceived as being socially and politically unacceptable and I’d like it to stay that way.
You will never fully erase racism, sexism, sectarianism, homophobia and probably ad infinitum but the first step in dealing with them is to make it socially and politically unacceptable along with passing laws that ameliorate their effects on the victims.
I think there might be a different perspective in the US and certainly SA given their relative proximity to eras where racism was not only socially acceptable but enshrined in, and enforced by, law.

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@sonhouse said
@quackquack
Oh? Tell that to the repub zombie states with their 400+ voter suppression bills specifically designed to stop people of color from voting.
Do unthink ID should be required?

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@averagejoe1 said
I don get your comment that people without college education, implying a lesser income or net worth, should have the wherewithal to buy a $600K house?
Is being openly stupid
better than hiding it, Jo?

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@kevcvs57 said
I’d have to disagree.
The main reason racism is generally hidden where I live is because it’s perceived as being socially and politically unacceptable and I’d like it to stay that way.
You will never fully erase racism, sexism, sectarianism, homophobia and probably ad infinitum but the first step in dealing with them is to make it socially and politically unacceptable alo ...[text shortened]... ximity to eras where racism was not only socially acceptable but enshrined in, and enforced by, law.
Yeah, I was really just posting out of frustration.

I posted a mere hypothetical from Trevor Noah where being denied a loan for a racist reasons would be hard to prove. Then Sh76 and Quack go on a rant about me assuming racism and demanding proof...for a hypothetical. So if they're this crazy over a mere thought experiment, what if there actually was an institution covertly using racist practices?

Honestly, I still don't know which is worse, but my original inclination agrees with you. When people are comfortable being openly racist, that could result in more problems then when people know it's wrong to be this way.

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@vivify said
Yeah, I was really just posting out of frustration.

I posted a mere hypothetical from Trevor Noah where being denied a loan for a racist reasons would be hard to prove. Then Sh76 and Quack go on a rant about me assuming racism and demanding proof...for a hypothetical. So if they're this crazy over a mere thought experiment, what if there actually was an institution cove ...[text shortened]... g openly racist, that could result in more problems then when people know it's wrong to be this way.
You are comfortable calling people racist without being able to prove it. And instead of admitting that you are unjustifiably slandering people you lash out.

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@quackquack said
You are comfortable calling people racist without being able to prove it. And instead of admitting that you are unjustifiably slandering people you lash out.
Who did I call racist? Who? No one was called racist, except an imaginary bank from a thought experiment.

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@vivify said
Yeah, I was really just posting out of frustration.

I posted a mere hypothetical from Trevor Noah where being denied a loan for a racist reasons would be hard to prove. Then Sh76 and Quack go on a rant about me assuming racism and demanding proof...for a hypothetical. So if they're this crazy over a mere thought experiment, what if there actually was an institution cove ...[text shortened]... g openly racist, that could result in more problems then when people know it's wrong to be this way.
Just consider the sources.

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@vivify said
Is it? When an entire ethnic group begins their existence in America as slaves, racism isn't the cause?

When that same group of people finally escape slavery into a society that creates laws specifically meant to prevent their financial, social and political upward mobility (Jim Crow laws, segregation, etc.), is racism really not the cause?
Fair points.

Are those laws still in place?
Then why does the situation continue?

Hence my argument that it’s poverty, rather than racism, as underlying problem.

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@quackquack said
Critical Race theory assumes the conclusion. Certain racial groups in our country commit crimes and drop out of school at a higher rate. It probably is more accurate to say that aggregate outcomes are based on poor decisions.
I wouldn't teach that either. I don't see anything useful about making broad generalizations about people and blaming one group for the outcome of others.
No, but you can’t ignore the fact that certain groups seem to make poorer decisions than other groups.
And, obviously, you oppose racism.
So, you’ll do your utmost best to make sure it’s not racism driving these poor decisions.
Wouldn’t you?

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