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@great-king-rat saidWell, you're a rather incompetent amateur film critic as well as a rather poor definer of what "child pornography" is.
She is sexualising and objectifying young children to get her point across.
At best she’s incompetent.
Worse, she’s lying.
Maïmouna Doucouré won the best Director award at Sundance for this, her first feature film. Also:
After studying biology, Doucouré took her first professional steps as a filmmaker with her short film Maman(s), selected in nearly 200 festivals and winner of more than 60 awards in festivals around the globe, including the International Fiction Jury Award at the Sundance Film Festival, Best Short Film at the Toronto International Film Festival, and the 2017 César Award for Best Short Film. In 2019, Doucouré was granted the Academy Gold Fellowship for Women.
https://www.sundance.org/projects/cuties
@no1marauder saidArgument from authority. Good one.
Well, you're a rather incompetent amateur film critic as well as a rather poor definer of what "child pornography" is.
Maïmouna Doucouré won the best Director award at Sundance for this, her first feature film. Also:
After studying biology, Doucouré took her first professional steps as a filmmaker with her short film Maman(s), selected in nearly 200 festivals and ...[text shortened]... couré was granted the Academy Gold Fellowship for Women.
https://www.sundance.org/projects/cuties
But you haven’t actually watched it, have you?
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@great-king-rat saidIn this case, an Argument from Authority is preferable to an Argument from Ignorance.
Argument from authority. Good one.
But you haven’t actually watched it, have you?
I wouldn't want "child pornography" on my PC; you soliciting me to obtain it is rather immoral, isn't it?
I did watch the dance routine clip included in Earl's link in the OP. It was a bit over the top and offensive and was probably meant to be for dramatic effect.
@shavixmir said"No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
It’s movements they’ve picked up online which some people find sexual; interpretation.
In this instance the movements of the children is them play-acting what they’ve seen online. And in this respect the question that’s raised is: is this copying what they see online good or bad?
As a piece of a ...[text shortened]... says something about you.
It means the film triggers something. And isn’t that what art is about?
according to the filmmaker it is meant to be sexual...per netfix...
"Eleven-year-old Amy starts to rebel against her conservative family’s traditions when she becomes fascinated with a free-spirited dance crew."
https://www.netflix.com/title/81111198
@mott-the-hoople saidNetflix said no such thing. There is a section on Netflix where viewers can make comments and that is what is quoted in Earl's original link. But that is not an official position of Netflix.
"No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
according to the filmmaker it is meant to be sexual...per netfix...
"Eleven-year-old Amy starts to rebel against her conservative family’s traditions when she becomes fascinated with a free-spirited dance crew."
https://www.netflix.com/title/81111198
Good to see you defending "conservative Muslim values" though.
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@no1marauder saidthe link I posted IS NETFLIX'S DESCRIPTION>
Netflix said no such thing. There is a section on Netflix where viewers can make comments and that is what is quoted in Earl's original link. But that is not an official position of Netflix.
Good to see you defending "conservative Muslim values" though.
read it for yourself...
https://www.netflix.com/title/81111198
@no1marauder said“Argument from Ignorance” is beyond ironic from someone who hasn’t watched it.
In this case, an Argument from Authority is preferable to an Argument from Ignorance.
I wouldn't want "child pornography" on my PC; you soliciting me to obtain it is rather immoral, isn't it?
I did watch the dance routine clip included in Earl's link in the OP. It was a bit over the top and offensive and was probably meant to be for dramatic effect.
I’m also not using such an argument, while you are in fact using both arguments.
I don’t give a flying fudge what you have on your PC.
Last time I checked, you don’t need to have it “on your PC” to watch it.
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@mott-the-hoople saidThis sentence is ""Eleven-year-old Amy starts to rebel against her conservative family’s traditions when she becomes fascinated with a free-spirited dance crew."
the link I posted IS NETFLIX'S DESCRIPTION>
read it for yourself...
https://www.netflix.com/title/81111198
Your first paragraph isn't.
You do realize that Amy's "conservative family" are Muslims in the film, don't you?
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@great-king-rat saidI was referring to your claims to be able to adequately judge the competence and/or veracity of the film's director. That professionals disagree with you regarding at least the former is surely relevant.
“Argument from Ignorance” is beyond ironic from someone who hasn’t watched it.
I’m also not using such an argument, while you are in fact using both arguments.
I don’t give a flying fudge what you have on your PC.
Last time I checked, you don’t need to have it “on your PC” to watch it.
As I said, I'm not really interested in watching it and I don't feel the requirement to do so just because a bunch of right wingers want to make it difficult for me to do so. Nor is the goading of prudish internet posters who have a ridiculous idea of what "child pornography" is likely to make me alter my Netflix viewing preferences (I really need to start the 3rd season of "Dark"; it would of course be helpful if you and others would inform me whether Netflix should be allowed to offer it).
EDIT: "Why I made Cuties" https://www.netflix.com/watch/81340455?trackId=14277282&tctx=-97%2C-97%2C%2C%2C%2C
@no1marauder saidI’ve made no claim about whether or not Netflix is allowed to show this movie. You’re making it up.
I was referring to your claims to be able to adequately judge the competence and/or veracity of the film's director. That professionals disagree with you regarding at least the former is surely relevant.
As I said, I'm not really interested in watching it and I don't feel the requirement to do so just because a bunch of right wingers want to make it difficult for me to ...[text shortened]... course be helpful if you and others would inform me whether Netflix should be allowed to offer it).
Previously you were using the argument from authority; now you’re defending it. It’s still a fallacy.
Lots of bad movies get good reviews and awards. Lots of good movies get bad reviews and no rewards. I’m not terribly interested in “professionals” dictating what is and isn’t good art.
Children were instructed to dance highly sexually, including mimicking sex, touching themselves and hitting each other’s bottoms in order to sell a movie.
All the professionals in the world can’t change that fact.
So you’ve formed your opinion on the movie without actually watching it. Like Shav did. Because doing so would of course alter your Netflix viewing preferences, and oh my gosh, we wouldn’t want that to happen, now would we? The horror!
@great-king-rat saidI formed no opinion about the movie but that it shouldn't be banned from Netflix which is the subject of the thread in case you missed it.
I’ve made no claim about whether or not Netflix is allowed to show this movie. You’re making it up.
Previously you were using the argument from authority; now you’re defending it. It’s still a fallacy.
Lots of bad movies get good reviews and awards. Lots of good movies get bad reviews and no rewards. I’m not terribly interested in “professionals” dictating what i ...[text shortened]... flix viewing preferences, and oh my gosh, we wouldn’t want that to happen, now would we? The horror!
Your ideas about the motivations of the writer and director are your own with really nothing to support them.
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@no1marauder said"You do realize that Amy's "conservative family" are Muslims in the film, don't you?"
This sentence is ""Eleven-year-old Amy starts to rebel against her conservative family’s traditions when she becomes fascinated with a free-spirited dance crew."
Your first paragraph isn't.
You do realize that Amy's "conservative family" are Muslims in the film, don't you?
WTF does that have to do with anything?
you do realize what "free spirited dance crew" means dont you?
And I guess you are backing off of this then?
"Netflix said no such thing. There is a section on Netflix where viewers can make comments and that is what is quoted in Earl's original link. But that is not an official position of Netflix. "
@mott-the-hoople saidYou said: "according to the filmmaker it is meant to be sexual..per netfix..."
"You do realize that Amy's "conservative family" are Muslims in the film, don't you?"
WTF does that have to do with anything?
you do realize what "free spirited dance crew" means dont you?
And I guess you are backing off of this then?
"Netflix said no such thing. There is a section on Netflix where viewers can make comments and that is what is quoted in Earl's original link. But that is not an official position of Netflix. "
No, I'm not "backing off" that this statement is inaccurate because it is.
I find it amusing that you consider a movie implicitly criticizing "conservative Muslim" values "indoctrination" considering your many hate filled posts directed against Islam.
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@no1marauder said"You said: "according to the filmmaker it is meant to be sexual..per netfix..."
You said: "according to the filmmaker it is meant to be sexual..per netfix..."
No, I'm not "backing off" that this statement is inaccurate because it is.
I find it amusing that you consider a movie implicitly criticizing "conservative Muslim" values "indoctrination" considering your many hate filled posts directed against Islam.
No, I'm not "backing off" that this statement is inaccurate because it is. "
now you are saying the film is not sexual nor meant to be sexual? OMG!
"I find it amusing that you consider a movie implicitly criticizing "conservative Muslim" values "indoctrination" considering your many hate filled posts directed against Islam."
Muslims have many traits I agree with...such as their stance on homosexuality.
Kind of bigoted of you to bring this up dont you think?
where does the film implicitly criticize anything? I missed that part...oh thats right, you made that up didnt you?
@great-king-rat saidBecause only in America is this an issue.
Why are attempting to turn this into yet another America centred topic?