Is NETFLIX guilty of Child Abuse

@great-king-rat said
Yes, context matters, but we still draw lines. This is why I asked earlier if we should show children having sex with adults. We shouldn’t.

We draw lines. Regardless of context, we draw lines.

I most certainly would not allow my child to be used in this fashion, regardless of context.

Your example undermines your earlier statement about context. The image of ...[text shortened]... ren? Not sexual.
The context of the dancing children? Sexual.

Have YOU actually seen this movie?

No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
It’s movements they’ve picked up online which some people find sexual; interpretation.

In this instance the movements of the children is them play-acting what they’ve seen online. And in this respect the question that’s raised is: is this copying what they see online good or bad?

As a piece of art the movie obviously makes you uncomfortable.
That says something about you.
It means the film triggers something. And isn’t that what art is about?

@averagejoe1 said
Like I said, you need to take a break. This reads like something the wobbly stnoefaced Biden would say, undecipherable. Libs win the trophy for this stuff. Talk about hyperbole.

If you are can't understand the rather clear points in my posts, perhaps you should refrain from reading them; I wouldn't want to give you a nosebleed or something.

@shavixmir said
No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
It’s movements they’ve picked up online which some people find sexual; interpretation.

In this instance the movements of the children is them play-acting what they’ve seen online. And in this respect the question that’s raised is: is this copying what they see online good or bad?

As a piece of a ...[text shortened]... says something about you.
It means the film triggers something. And isn’t that what art is about?

Well put. Here's from the Maïmouna Doucouré interview:

"The day I saw, at a neighbourhood party, a group of young girls aged around 11 years old, going up on stage and dancing in a very sensual way while wearing very revealing clothes. I was rather shocked and I wondered if they were aware of the image of sexual availability that they were projecting. In the audience, there were also more traditional mothers, some of them wearing veils: it was a real culture shock. I was stunned and I thought back to my own childhood, because I’ve often asked myself questions about my own femininity, about evolving between two cultures, about my Senegalese culture which comes from my parents and my western culture. "

"During my research, I saw that all these young girls I’d met were very exposed on social media. And with new social codes, the ways of presenting yourself change. I saw that some very young girls were followed by 400,000 people on social media and I tried to understand why. There were no particular reasons, besides the fact that they had posted sexy or at least revealing pictures: that is what had brought them this “fame.” Today, the sexier and the more objectified a woman is, the more value she has in the eyes of social media. And when you’re 11, you don’t really understand all these mechanisms, but you tend to mimic, to do the same thing as others in order to get a similar result. "

https://www.cineuropa.org/en/interview/390968

Hardly the reasoning of the "child pornographer" Rat is trying to make her.

@no1marauder said
I'm not really interested in the subject matter of the movie; my tastes on Netflix are more escapist.

But in reading the complaints about the movie from Earl's original link, a lot of it stems from the dance routine that is depicted in the original Netflix poster. Part of that routine is briefly shown in the trailer as well, with what you call the "skimpy outfits" that ...[text shortened]... ple of a dance routine from one competition I was present at. If you don't want to look at it, fine.

Well, I don't want to look at it. But, The culture people seem to think thet I should go beyond turning it off, and branch out into your beloved 'streets' (I have never been in a street) and broadcast the need for everyone to go wild about Netflix. Why ae you avoiding comment on this simple fact.?

@no1marauder said
Well put. Here's from the Maïmouna Doucouré interview:

"The day I saw, at a neighbourhood party, a group of young girls aged around 11 years old, going up on stage and dancing in a very sensual way while wearing very revealing clothes. I was rather shocked and I wondered if they were aware of the image of sexual availability that they were projecting. In the audience, ...[text shortened]... g/en/interview/390968

Hardly the reasoning of the "child pornographer" Rat is trying to make her.

Exactly.

I’m very surprised this is even an issue.
Didn’t Stranger Things have young teenagers flirting with each other... and even kissing?

And what about the Hotel New Hampshire? Didn’t that have underaged brother on sister 24 hour love-making in it?

Little Miss Sunshine...

@shavixmir said
No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
It’s movements they’ve picked up online which some people find sexual; interpretation.

In this instance the movements of the children is them play-acting what they’ve seen online. And in this respect the question that’s raised is: is this copying what they see online good or bad?

As a piece of a ...[text shortened]... says something about you.
It means the film triggers something. And isn’t that what art is about?

Yes, the movement is mostly definitely meant to be sexual. The fact that the characters perhaps only copy what they see does not detract from the fact that the dances themselves are clearly meant to be erotic.

“Some people find sexual”. Don’t be silly. They are without a shred of doubt meant to be sexual. You’re plain lying if you pretend they aren’t sexual. Or.... see the last line of this post (if you ever get that far).

The rest of your post is all fine and dandy, but the bottom line is that the movie depicts young children acting out highly sexualised dance routines which to a degree mimic sexual intercourse and includes touching themselves and hitting each other’s bottom.

That is crossing a line, which at best showcases a director incapable of handling tough material with a sense of decency and at worst showcases a director exploiting children sexually for whatever cause.

Third time asking, have YOU actually seen the movie?

@no1marauder said
I'm not really interested in the subject matter of the movie; my tastes on Netflix are more escapist.

But in reading the complaints about the movie from Earl's original link, a lot of it stems from the dance routine that is depicted in the original Netflix poster. Part of that routine is briefly shown in the trailer as well, with what you call the "skimpy outfits" that ...[text shortened]... ple of a dance routine from one competition I was present at. If you don't want to look at it, fine.

Why don’t you actually watch a bit more, before forming an opinion, big boy?

@great-king-rat said
Yes, the movement is mostly definitely meant to be sexual. The fact that the characters perhaps only copy what they see does not detract from the fact that the dances themselves are clearly meant to be erotic.

“Some people find sexual”. Don’t be silly. They are without a shred of doubt meant to be sexual. You’re plain lying if you pretend they aren’t sexual. Or.... ...[text shortened]... oiting children sexually for whatever cause.

Third time asking, have YOU actually seen the movie?

Well, you’re obviously dug into your little hole, gun in the air.
I’ll leave you there. Enjoy it.

There’s nothing to be said to change attitudes on this matter. So it’s a pointless circle “pull” which goes around and around and around.

I hear what you’re saying. I disagree.
End of.
You hear what I’m saying. You disagree.
End of.

It is as it is.

@shavixmir said
No. The movement of the children in the movie is not meant to be sexual.
It’s movements they’ve picked up online which some people find sexual; interpretation.

In this instance the movements of the children is them play-acting what they’ve seen online. And in this respect the question that’s raised is: is this copying what they see online good or bad?

As a piece of a ...[text shortened]... says something about you.
It means the film triggers something. And isn’t that what art is about?

America ia a land of conflicts and paradoxes. This Netflix movie is only a signpost, not a case, much less a cause, of moral dereliction.

For example, topless sunbathing on public beaches -- (mostly) a non-issue in most European countries (even Catholic Spain is more casual than the USA), but another thread on this very issue triggered some very harsh responses from some conservative Americans here who can't separate nudity from sexuality.

For example, depicting children dancing stirs up a furore, if they seem to rub their crotches. But, on the other hand, most of the hardcore pornography in the world is both produced and consumed in America.

For example, women are depicted as objects of desire in every nook and cranny all across America. Images of sexually ripe women are omnipresent in America: billboards, advertising, TV shows, product packaging, in every shop window and every brochure, a flawless woman's face and/or body is prominent. Is it any wonder that this continuous bombardment of female pulchritude rubs off on children? They cannot possibly ignore it. And some people get upset over a Netflix movie?? Wake up smell the coffee! America is living with a deeply ingrained double-bind culture of omnipresent availability and forbidden fruit.

@no1marauder said
Well put. Here's from the Maïmouna Doucouré interview:

"The day I saw, at a neighbourhood party, a group of young girls aged around 11 years old, going up on stage and dancing in a very sensual way while wearing very revealing clothes. I was rather shocked and I wondered if they were aware of the image of sexual availability that they were projecting. In the audience, ...[text shortened]... g/en/interview/390968

Hardly the reasoning of the "child pornographer" Rat is trying to make her.

She is sexualising and objectifying young children to get her point across.

At best she’s incompetent.
Worse, she’s lying.

@shavixmir said
Well, you’re obviously dug into your little hole, gun in the air.
I’ll leave you there. Enjoy it.

There’s nothing to be said to change attitudes on this matter. So it’s a pointless circle “pull” which goes around and around and around.

I hear what you’re saying. I disagree.
End of.
You hear what I’m saying. You disagree.
End of.

It is as it is.

Have YOU actually seen the movie?

@great-king-rat said
Have YOU actually seen the movie?

🙄

@moonbus said
America ia a land of conflicts and paradoxes. This Netflix movie is only a signpost, not a case, much less a cause, of moral dereliction.

For example, topless sunbathing on public beaches -- (mostly) a non-issue in most European countries (even Catholic Spain is more casual than the USA), but another thread on this very issue triggered some very harsh responses from some c ...[text shortened]... living with a deeply ingrained double-bind culture of omnipresent availability and forbidden fruit.

Why are attempting to turn this into yet another America centred topic?

@shavixmir said
🙄

That’s not an answer, it’s an emoji.

@shavixmir said
Exactly.

I’m very surprised this is even an issue.
Didn’t Stranger Things have young teenagers flirting with each other... and even kissing?

And what about the Hotel New Hampshire? Didn’t that have underaged brother on sister 24 hour love-making in it?

Little Miss Sunshine...

You’re comparing Stranger Things to Cuties....

You’ve not actually seen Cuties, have you?