@earl-of-trumps saidCalling this "child sexual abuse" is patently absurd and trivializes actual victims of real sexual abuse.
Shav, We do not need 11 year old children being sexually abused to show us what is wrong with sexual abuse of children.
"Just say NO", Shav.
@great-king-rat saidYou don't see a slight difference between showing girls dancing (in a provocative manner no doubt but still dancing) and showing adults having sex with children?
Really? Why not go a step further then and actually show sexual intercourse between a child and a grown-up to “expose a problem”?
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@philokalia saidIt’s interesting / telling that you self selected the Male on Male rape scene whilst somehow not noticing the plethora of Male on Female rape scenes. And even with that I don’t remember anybody wanted to shut or boycott any cinemas.
And when they're very graphic, they draw intense criticism... Indeed, I don't recollect any film made by Hollywood that had a very graphic scene in this regard since Deliverance.
@no1marauder saidThat difference only exists because we as a society have deemed having and showing sex with children is wrong. It isn’t a Rule of Nature.
You don't see a slight difference between showing girls dancing (in a provocative manner no doubt but still dancing) and showing adults having sex with children?
The claim that we actually need to *show* something in order to fight that same thing is absolute bollocks. There are some things that we don’t show, because it crosses a line.
There are scenes in this movie that sexualise these children in a way that you might not even see in movies containing grown-up dancers
I don’t care if sexualising children in a movie is done for financial gains or to highlight the problem of sexualising children. You don’t sexualise children in the way that is done in this movie.
And anyone pretending the dance moves in this movie aren’t overly sexual is either lying or in fact a pretty disgusting human being.
@great-king-rat saidmost here have already proven they are “disgusting”...
That difference only exists because we as a society have deemed having and showing sex with children is wrong. It isn’t a Rule of Nature.
The claim that we actually need to *show* something in order to fight that same thing is absolute bollocks. There are some things that we don’t show, because it crosses a line.
There are scenes in this movie that sexualise thes ...[text shortened]... moves in this movie aren’t overly sexual is either lying or in fact a pretty disgusting human being.
@suzianne saidSuzianne, with all due respects....(and please understand, maybe come over to our side?)..... Cancel Culture is to cancel my rights, my freedom, my freedom to choose. It is trying to tell people what to do.
Cancel culture, indeed.
Hypocrite.
My deciding on my own to pick a flower or order a cup of coffee is my choice, like canceling Netflix. In other words, Cancel Culture would tell me what to do.
This may be confusing to you, but it exemplifies our differences. Conservatives want to be left the hell alone.
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@petewxyz saidI think the epidemic of mental health problems is exactly because mass media and it’s handmaiden the marketing industry are compelling younger and younger children into becoming units of consumption which at some level requires them to grow up sooner than they should.
The other instances you quote are without doubt worse. you are suggesting that we should completely ban child beauty pageants etc I would agree with that completely. The movie (which I haven't seen) sounds closer to the line and challenges where the line should be. However, I have worked with way too many survivors of rape and sexual abuse to be confident that society is dr ...[text shortened]... addressing seriously out of whack social limits and boundaries or funding mental health services...
Look at any advert for children’s fashion on the telly they have children striking poses and looking very similar to adult models and yes they are models / actors but the targets of the campaign are vulnerable young boys and girls who are being brainwashed into thinking that a big part of their worth is dependent on how they look.
Anybody who thinks beauty pageants are ok, for under 18s especially, but even in general, should stop the hypocritical hand wringing about this dark mirror that’s been held up to society.
“ If you are suggesting that we should completely ban child beauty pageants etc I would agree with that completely. “
Well I’m more for boycotting than banning, I prefer people to vote with their wallets than have an authoritarian body dictate social mores but my point is that’s where the damage is being done, and that along with the marketing industry is exactly what the film was trying critique with its satire.
Basically don’t shoot the messenger, take heed of the message.
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@averagejoe1 saidThat's funny, because no one's telling you what to do.
Suzianne, with all due respects....(and please understand, maybe come over to our side?)..... Cancel Culture is to cancel my rights, my freedom, my freedom to choose. It is trying to tell people what to do.
My deciding on my own to pick a flower or order a cup of coffee is my choice, like canceling Netflix. In other words, Cancel Culture would tell me what to do.
...[text shortened]... confusing to you, but it exemplifies our differences. Conservatives want to be left the hell alone.
Why does that stick in your craw so much anyways? Is it because you're white and traditionally it's your place to tell others what to do?
It's more than a little arrogant to insist on telling racial minorities (no, darkie, your water fountain is over here), women (how can you murder your own baby!?!) and LGBTQ (laws against what adults do in their own bedroom) what to do, but "no one, and I mean NO ONE, tells ME what to do!" Well, maybe it is ABOUT TIME. Just cut the "but I'm better than everyone else!" bull.
You don't want someone (still not sure exactly who) telling you what to do, then STOP TELLING OTHERS WHAT TO DO. Ever hear of the Golden Rule? No, probably not.
But you know, karma's a bitch.
@kevcvs57 saidyou cant see the difference between a child with a pretty dress on just standing or walking...and a child touching themselves and making suggestive moves? really?
I think the epidemic of mental health problems is exactly because mass media and it’s handmaiden the marketing industry are compelling younger and younger children into becoming units of consumption which at some level requires them to grow up sooner than they should.
Look at any advert for children’s fashion on the telly they have children striking poses and looking very ...[text shortened]... as trying critique with its satire.
Basically don’t shoot the messenger, take heed of the message.
@earl-of-trumps saidYou know, I just realized how good for promotion controversy is. A show I've never heard of and would have no intention of watching even if I had heard of it, is now tempting to watch. I ran through the thread comments, picked up my remote and was about to find it on Netflix.
‘#CancelNetflix’: Streaming Service Faces New Calls For Boycott After ‘Cuties’ Scene Sexualizing Children Goes Viral
https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/cancelnetflix-streaming-service-faces-new-calls-for-boycott-after-cuties-scene-sexualizing-children-goes-viral/
Just take a look at the video of "Cuties", all 11 year old girls.
Disgusting! Not the girls, their dirtbag PIMPS, Netflix.
This is one CANCEL movement I can appreciate
I was almost suckered in by the curiosity of "how bad can this be?".
@great-king-rat saidThere is a difference here; in general, I assume very few people object to children dancing per se. So if you're going to say that a certain type of dancing is objectionable, I fail to see how you can do so without actually showing it.
That difference only exists because we as a society have deemed having and showing sex with children is wrong. It isn’t a Rule of Nature.
The claim that we actually need to *show* something in order to fight that same thing is absolute bollocks. There are some things that we don’t show, because it crosses a line.
There are scenes in this movie that sexualise thes ...[text shortened]... moves in this movie aren’t overly sexual is either lying or in fact a pretty disgusting human being.
You're entitled to your opinion, as is the director and writer of the film.
@vivify saidI'm convinced the conservatives here are raising such hell over this because they'd be petrified to watch this and realize they're getting a little tingle down there.
You know, I just realized how good for promotion controversy is. A show I've never heard of and would have no intention of watching even if I had heard of it, is now tempting to watch. I ran through the thread comments, picked up my remote and was about to find it on Netflix.
I was almost suckered in by the curiosity of "how bad can this be?".
@suzianne saidYou folks need to set emotions aside. Maybe pretend you are on a debate stage? Would you act like this?
That's funny, because no one's telling you what to do.
Why does that stick in your craw so much anyways? Is it because you're white and traditionally it's your place to tell others what to do?
It's more than a little arrogant to insist on telling racial minorities (no, darkie, your water fountain is over here), women (how can you murder your own [ ...[text shortened]... HERS WHAT TO DO. Ever hear of the Golden Rule? No, probably not.
But you know, karma's a bitch.
Get this: Barack Obama just said this; Recently speaking out against the trend towards judging other people as a way to effect social change, He said it is encroaching on our first amendment rights, and our collective liberties.
That is all we (Obama and I) are saying. Can you answer me one simple question. Does the cancel culture concept restrict my liberties. (You are wrong, Cancel culture is inded telling us what to do.) Please answer Yes or no, thank you.