@Trev333 saidData centers have already become political. I have seen political ads here in Michigan attacking John James for being funded by the data centers and supporting them.
You've noticed less republicans against AI... Why make something completely unpolitical, political?
Anyway. You're right about something, humanity will destroy humanity but that could involve humanity creating an AI which helps with that.
Already they've created AI which has hacked security systems, aren't they just getting started? Think how far the world of technology has come along in the past 50 years..
The future is a scary place.
Humanity is always causing trouble. Computer viruses are problematic. I don't buy the destroy humanity thing. It is over the top. As if nobody can unplug stuff from the internet. The scare mongering has gotten silly. People are falsely claiming nuclear weapons are connected to the internet. Everybody knows being connected to the internet makes it vulnerable to hacking. Just take that oil tanker Iran hacked recently. It was dumb to connect it to the internet just like it was dumb for Iran to connect their Uranium enrichment facility to the internet so Israel could hack into it.
AI can only be a serious threat if we keep being dumb enough to connect important things to the internet. The future does not have to be a scary place.
@Sleepyguy saidI assume you want to regulate AI. That is why they scared you. That is what they want so smaller AI companies will not be able to compete with the bigger AI giants. It is an anti-competitive scam.
Here this should keep you going for a while:
This latest AI panic is “digital covid.”
Frontier Labs = Wuhan Labs
Anthropic = NIH
Rogue AI = SARS-CoV-2
Regulation = Vaccination
COVID panic = Election/Control
AI panic = Election/Control
The only thing we are waiting now is patient zero, the AI ‘false flag’ (cyberattack).
https://theconser ...[text shortened]... nskyy-tells-cbs-russia-drones-tried-to-take-down-his-airplane-story-previously-debunked/#more-287046
Innovation in the private sector will suffer and China or Russia will win the AI race and dominate the world. Is that what you want? We need intense competition of AI now more than ever. I oppose AI regulation if it is an expensive burden to smaller AI companies.
https://fortune.com/2017/09/04/ai-artificial-intelligence-putin-rule-world/
@Metal-Brain saidAre you seriously this stupid?
No comprendo.
Games and simulations do not start wars.
You do realise that in simulations nobody is actually shooting at each other,
Don’t you?
You do comprehend that when you play Grand Theft Auto you’re not really stealing a car…
You do understand this, don’t you?
Don’t you?
Don’t you…
@Metal-Brain saidNever assume.
I assume you want to regulate AI. That is why they scared you. That is what they want so smaller AI companies will not be able to compete with the bigger AI giants. It is an anti-competitive scam.
Innovation in the private sector will suffer and China or Russia will win the AI race and dominate the world. Is that what you want? We need intense competition of AI now mo ...[text shortened]... maller AI companies.
https://fortune.com/2017/09/04/ai-artificial-intelligence-putin-rule-world/
I'm not buying this whole "AI will kill us all in 10 years" stuff, but that Hugging Face (stupid name) hack makes it's pretty evident these companies don't have total control of their creation. And all the teams of geeks working on AI "alignment" shows they really don't even understand why it does what it does. Does that mean I think Congress should regulate it? Hell no. They are too stupid and corrupt.
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@Sleepyguy saidThe same COVID "panic" that killed 35 million people and shut down the world for a year?
Here this should keep you going for a while:
This latest AI panic is “digital covid.”
Frontier Labs = Wuhan Labs
Anthropic = NIH
Rogue AI = SARS-CoV-2
Regulation = Vaccination
COVID panic = Election/Control
AI panic = Election/Control
The only thing we are waiting now is patient zero, the AI ‘false flag’ (cyberattack).
https://theconser ...[text shortened]... nskyy-tells-cbs-russia-drones-tried-to-take-down-his-airplane-story-previously-debunked/#more-287046
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@Sleepyguy saidIt's not really an assumption anymore that these programs will be capable of hacking into anything at any time. The average cost of a corporate data breach from hacking is $10 million plus months of downtime, and this is the end of the line for ~60% of small businesses. If those hacks are coming from agentic AI "swarms" that can create and multiply copies of themselves ad infinitum, without a human programmer, then who pays this price? Who is held responsible for the cost?
Never assume.
I'm not buying this whole "AI will kill us all in 10 years" stuff, but that Hugging Face (stupid name) hack makes it's pretty evident these companies don't have total control of their creation. And all the teams of geeks working on AI "alignment" shows they really don't even understand why it does what it does. Does that mean I think Congress should regulate it? Hell no. They are too stupid and corrupt.
Don't regulate it? Really?
@shavixmir saidNo. You are as crazy as a loon. That is obvious.
Are you seriously this stupid?
You do realise that in simulations nobody is actually shooting at each other,
Don’t you?
You do comprehend that when you play Grand Theft Auto you’re not really stealing a car…
You do understand this, don’t you?
Don’t you?
Don’t you…
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@Metal-Brain saidYou seem to think that AI is only on the internet?
Data centers have already become political. I have seen political ads here in Michigan attacking John James for being funded by the data centers and supporting them.
Humanity is always causing trouble. Computer viruses are problematic. I don't buy the destroy humanity thing. It is over the top. As if nobody can unplug stuff from the internet. The scare mongering has g ...[text shortened]... mb enough to connect important things to the internet. The future does not have to be a scary place.
There's already human bots able to talk, walk etc. machines making other machines... It's not science fiction. It's already happening and in the wrong hands, could help destroy humanity.
People are always fighting, trying to scam eachother. Or simply trying to prove they're smarter than others, as a species we've become too intelligent and idiotic for our own good.
@Trev333 saidYes.
You seem to think that AI is only on the internet?
There's already human bots able to talk, walk etc. machines making other machines... It's not science fiction. It's already happening and in the wrong hands, could help destroy humanity.
People are always fighting, trying to scam eachother. Or simply trying to prove they're smarter than others, as a species we've become too intelligent and idiotic for our own good.
I don't know what a human bot is.
Machines help make other machines. I don't think we are at Star Wars Attack of the Clones complete automation without any people, but if I am wrong feel free to post your source.
I don't buy the destroy humanity thing. I don't think it is possible. How could that possibly happen? Walk me through it step by step so I know it is realistic.
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@Metal-Brain saidKeep in mind it's not that the AI machines will ever decide "we should kill humans". It's that they independently become agnostic to human harm while completing other tasks.
Yes.
I don't know what a human bot is.
Machines help make other machines. I don't think we are at Star Wars Attack of the Clones complete automation without any people, but if I am wrong feel free to post your source.
I don't buy the destroy humanity thing. I don't think it is possible. How could that possibly happen? Walk me through it step by step so I know it is realistic.
The issue with talking through the scenarios is that the possibilities are endless. I heard one scenario where a kid could train an AI to create a virus to kill his girlfriend who just dumped him. He could then pay a company to sequence it and synthesize it and deliver it to his house. Just that alone could do in all of humanity. If AI makes advanced bioweapon design easy enough where any individual on earth could create it, then that's thousands of opportunities for one bad actor to do a lot of harm.
Or it can manipulate humans to doing terrible tasks too, through persuasion, blackmail, coercion etc. An intelligence beyond ours could discover entire new technologies that we haven't even yet thought of ourselves, but through recursive self-improvement it is able to trigger a reaction that sets the atmosphere on fire.
But it could be a thousand other things too. If not a virus, maybe it's the paper clip scenario where someone asks a super powerful AI agent to make paperclips and it takes its job way too seriously and in the end turns every factory in the world into paperclip-making factories and everything else grinds to a halt, eventually consuming all matter.
Each scenario individually seems illogical and very unlikely to happen, but then you have to consider that the number of possible scenarios is nearly endless and so in aggregate it is very likely that AI will cause an event that is very disruptive to our current way of life, and will cause a lot of harm to a lot of people without consequence or accountability. The specific mechanism is not the point. The point is that we would be trying to predict the actions of an intelligence operating with scientific knowledge and technological capabilities beyond our own and agnostic of human interests.
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@Metal-Brain saidWell, it isn't.
Yes.
I don't know what a human bot is.
Machines help make other machines. I don't think we are at Star Wars Attack of the Clones complete automation without any people, but if I am wrong feel free to post your source.
I don't buy the destroy humanity thing. I don't think it is possible. How could that possibly happen? Walk me through it step by step so I know it is realistic.
https://interestingengineering.com/lists/5-worlds-realistic-humanoid-robots
@wildgrass said"He could then pay a company to sequence it and synthesize it and deliver it to his house."
Keep in mind it's not that the AI machines will ever decide "we should kill humans". It's that they independently become agnostic to human harm while completing other tasks.
The issue with talking through the scenarios is that the possibilities are endless. I heard one scenario where a kid could train an AI to create a virus to kill his girlfriend who just dumped him. He ...[text shortened]... scientific knowledge and technological capabilities beyond our own and agnostic of human interests.
Get what delivered to whose house? A robot to an AI? And why would an AI "decide" to do that? What does that have to do with the "task" it was given if that task is not to kill all of humanity?
Mr. his?
What identity is this AI using? Mr. AI? Mr. His?
What would be the payment method?
@wildgrass saidhttps://www.zerohedge.com/ai/nvidia-ceo-says-zero-percent-chance-ai-making-humans-extinct
Keep in mind it's not that the AI machines will ever decide "we should kill humans". It's that they independently become agnostic to human harm while completing other tasks.
The issue with talking through the scenarios is that the possibilities are endless. I heard one scenario where a kid could train an AI to create a virus to kill his girlfriend who just dumped him. He ...[text shortened]... scientific knowledge and technological capabilities beyond our own and agnostic of human interests.
@Metal-Brain saidIf AI gets to be smarter than humans they can MAKE an internet connection to anything including missile silos.
The solution is to not connect vital things like water supply and voting machines to the internet. That is a human problem, not an AI problem.
AI is not a threat to humanity. Humanity is a threat to humanity.