@shavixmir saidThe dumb arse is the man who supports Islamic terrorists by proclaiming a terrorist can rape and kill Jews, then dance in the streets and when the Jews come to take revenge, they run and hide, hold up their kids to take the bullet. You are that person ... moron. Get back in your rathole.
Yeah…. The 0 year olds were raping and killing…
Dumb arse.
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@Rajk999 saidYes, you do have to consider history if you want your question answered seriously. The current war is in the context of decades (arguably millennia) of conflict.
The critical thing about this is who initiated the terrorism. Who are the ones who violated the Geneva Convention FIRST. There is no need to go all the way back into history.
Who violated first? Israel by taking land not yet approved by UN Security Council. And Israel again in 1967 when they illegally grabbed Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. And Israel again with the blockade. And Israel again with allowing their citizens to settle on annexed land; all of which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention. And I'm skipping a lot for the sake of brevity.
You seem to argue this topic as if everything started last year on Oct 7th. That's not being "critical".
Honestly, this is off topic, we've discussed who-was-wrong-first ad nauseum. Just remember the humanity you show toward the Israeli terrorists in the West Bank. Remember that when it comes to Palestinians.
@shavixmir said"Terrorist" can often be a matter of perspective. The U.S. called Iraqi terrorists "insurgents". To some Iraqis they were freedom fighters against an invading force.
You could draw a comparison between the Palestinians being freedom fighters, rebels, fighting against the evil empire.
And the UN is the senate, stuck forever in commission.
Nobody in the normal world thinks murdering babies is justified. It goes to show how far down the rabbit hole of hate these crackers have dived.
U.S. schools teach the colonists were people seeking freedom from a Monarchy. Had the British won the war, history would regard the revolutionists as villains grabbing power for themselves.
@Rajk999 saidNo. Just because one set of behaviour is disgusting, doesn’t justify anybody else behaving like a bastard.
The dumb arse is the man who supports Islamic terrorists by proclaiming a terrorist can rape and kill Jews, then dance in the streets and when the Jews come to take revenge, they run and hide, hold up their kids to take the bullet. You are that person ... moron. Get back in your rathole.
But you have your head stuck up Hitler’s arse and have been sucking on thise fascist fumes so long you can’t even see the idiocy of your argument.
You think it’s okay to actually kill children.
Moron.
@vivify saidWell that is a lie .. I do not argue as if everything started on Oct 7th. I have gone way back to the start of the Zionist movement at times, back in 1890. I have gone back to 1948.
Yes, you do have to consider history if you want your question answered seriously. The current war is in the context of decades (arguably millennia) of conflict.
Who violated first? Israel by taking land not yet approved by UN Security Council. And Israel again in 1967 when they illegally grabbed Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. And Israel again with the blockade. A ...[text shortened]... u show toward the Israeli terrorists in the West Bank. Remember that when it comes to Palestinians.
Pick a date, and I am happy to disucss it. Maybe I will learn something new. 1967 is not a good start date.
Want to go back 1,000 yrs fine. Do that and we will talk.
Many show humanity to the ones who want to live in peace. I dont think the Palestinians want peace. What they have repeatedly said is that they want ALL OF PALESTINE.
So pick a date.
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@Rajk999 saidZionists want the same thing in the West Bank.
Many show humanity to the ones who want to live in peace. I dont think the Palestinians want peace. What they have repeatedly said is that they want ALL OF PALESTINE.
As for "pick a date", I already mentioned Israel grabbing land without approval from the UN Security council in 1948, But dates don't matter if you're a Zionist, do they? Nor do they matter if you're a religious Jew or fundamentalist Christian.
Therefore, we're back to square one since ultimately, dates or official decrees don't matter to either party. We have to start with humanity by both sides. I don't care about arguing who-should-get-what in this thread. The same thoughtfulness you give to Israeli terrorists: show that to the other side.
@vivify saidIsrael doesnt need UN approval...the UN is corrupt
Zionists want the same thing in the West Bank.
As for "pick a date", I already mentioned Israel grabbing land without approval from the UN Security council in 1948, But dates don't matter if you're a Zionist, do they? Nor do they matter if you're a religious Jew or fundamentalist Christian.
Therefore, we're back to square one since ultimately, dates or official de ...[text shortened]... n this thread. The same thoughtfulness you give to Israeli terrorists: show that to the other side.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAnd Israel isn’t?
Israel doesnt need UN approval...the UN is corrupt
Netenyahoo isn’t corrupt?
You muppet.
@vivify saidSo 1948 it is then. Its was simple then.
Zionists want the same thing in the West Bank.
As for "pick a date", I already mentioned Israel grabbing land without approval from the UN Security council in 1948, But dates don't matter if you're a Zionist, do they? Nor do they matter if you're a religious Jew or fundamentalist Christian.
Therefore, we're back to square one since ultimately, dates or official de ...[text shortened]... n this thread. The same thoughtfulness you give to Israeli terrorists: show that to the other side.
The British Empire were the Imperial power that owned the territory.
The actual land owners were many from several nations
The UN partitioned the land.
The Jews accepted the partition. The Arabs did not.
What land did the Jews grab in 1948?
@vivify saidWell this is why discussions like this cannot continue. You post stuff and opinions.
Not legally binding. It was never actually implemented because the Arabs didn't agree. The Jews took the land anyway, making Israel the first to commit war crimes.
You do not post the source of your information so that I can read it. Its pointless. But according to Wiki and other reliable sources the UN Partition Plan was actually passed :
On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, adopted by 33 votes to 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
So do you have a source for your information?
@vivify saidyou fuking idiot
Not legally binding. It was never actually implemented because the Arabs didn't agree. The Jews took the land anyway, making Israel the first to commit war crimes.
@Rajk999 saidhttps://jcpa.org/rejection-of-the-un-partition-plan-of-november-29-1947-was-a-prequel-to-the-october-7-massacre/
Well this is why discussions like this cannot continue. You post stuff and opinions.
You do not post the source of your information so that I can read it. Its pointless. But according to Wiki and other reliable sources the UN Partition Plan was actually passed :
On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, adopted by 33 votes to 13 wi ...[text shortened]... a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
So do you have a source for your information?
While many members of the UN General Assembly voted in favor of the resolution, decisions of this nature only become binding under the newly proscribed provisions of the UN charter when approved by the UN Security Council.
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@vivify saidFrom your very same link :
https://jcpa.org/rejection-of-the-un-partition-plan-of-november-29-1947-was-a-prequel-to-the-october-7-massacre/While many members of the UN General Assembly voted in favor of the resolution, decisions of this nature only become binding under the newly proscribed provisions of the UN charter when approved by the UN Security Council.
From November 1947 to May 1948, the Arab countries could have reconsidered their decision and given birth to a second Arab state in “Palestine.” They did not. Instead, they chose the path of war to annihilate Israel.
So to the question of who started the war, it was the Arabs. From your link again:
From 1948 to 1967, when the Gaza Strip was controlled by Egypt and Judea/Samaria controlled by Jordan, the Arab countries, together with the international community, could again have reconsidered their decision and established the second Arab state. They did not. Instead, they chose the path of war to annihilate Israel.
Clearly from the outset, the Arabs wanted death to Jews, and did not want a 2-state solution.
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@Rajk999 saidThat's because of the Nakba, which I'm sure you're familiar with, where 700,000 Palestinians were violently forced from their homes
From your very same link :
From November 1947 to May 1948, the Arab countries could have reconsidered their decision and given birth to a second Arab state in “Palestine.” They did not. Instead, they chose the path of war to annihilate Israel.
So to the question of who started the war, it was the Arabs. From your link again:
[i]From 1948 to 1967, whe ...[text shortened]... /i]
Clearly from the outset, the Arabs wanted death to Jews, and did not want a 2-state solution.
From the UN's website:
https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/
The Arab world rejected the plan, arguing that it was unfair and violated the UN Charter. Jewish militias launched attacks against Palestinian villages, forcing thousands to flee.
None of this matters. The point is understanding is required on both sides.