@wajoma saidSome decisions, like banning slavery, ending segregation and giving women the right to vote, shouldn't wait for "others" to agree with. Going green to protect humanity's future on earth is one of those.
You go green, you lead the way, convince people to voluntarily follow your greenieness, remove all force from your agenda, if it's a good idea others will follow.
@Wajoma
Funny how there is this world wide denial of human interference with climate.
I suspect it is because those folks cannot wrap their head around the fact for instance, that we are as humanity, using up RIGHT NOW 50% of the available resources on the whole planet, it is not an infinite amount of resources like the fish in the sea, we have been over fishing and will continue to over fish till the ones we eat are extinct.
Just the production of concrete worldwide is dumping MILLIONS of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere and you folks act like that is nothing.
Along with the rising temps is the release of ever more methane which has a somewhat limited lifespan in the atmosphere but in the meantime that can add to the positive feedback networks of man's involvement in climate change.
Like he said, humans are causing MANY changes on Earth including the extinction of many species AND climate change, so FUKKING GET OVER IT.
All your BULLSHYTE arguments are making it worse not better.
I wonder who will be spewing the same BS that mankind is so insignificant that we could NEVER cause actual climate change for the worse, I wonder if they will still be puking out that shyte after all the ice in Greenland has melted and the sea level raises twenty or thirty feet more than we have now, goodbye Manhattan, Florida, the Bahamas and so forth.
@sonhouse saidplease list your plan to reverse this…thx
@Wajoma
Funny how there is this world wide denial of human interference with climate.
I suspect it is because those folks cannot wrap their head around the fact for instance, that we are as humanity, using up RIGHT NOW 50% of the available resources on the whole planet, it is not an infinite amount of resources like the fish in the sea, we have been over fishing and will c ...[text shortened]... s twenty or thirty feet more than we have now, goodbye Manhattan, Florida, the Bahamas and so forth.
@mott-the-hoople said@vivfly
what is your data on electric vehicles causing global warming, what is the environmental impact on producing them?
Recharging once built?
Disposing of them at end of life?
I guess you missed this…
@mott-the-hoople saidUnless you cite a source for your claims like EVs "causing global warming" it's not worth responding to.
@vivfly
I guess you missed this…
Interesting how the hottest day ever recorded happened on the anniversary of the United States, the single biggest polluter for over 150 years until China took over.
Link below is from the Guardian:
https://shorturl.at/stvTZ
The US has been the biggest cumulative polluter from 1850 all the way to the present day. Russia was the second biggest polluter until 2007, when its emissions were surpassed by China’s, whose emissions started rising rapidly from the 1970s.
@vivify saidYou went straight from "hottest days on record" to "Humans are dooming themselves"
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/05/tuesday-was-worlds-hottest-day-on-record-breaking-mondays-record
Tuesday was world’s hottest day on record – breaking Monday’s record
Average global temperature hits 17.18C and experts expect record to be broken again very soon
Monday the record for hottest average global temperature ever recorded was set...only ...[text shortened]... broken the very next day on July 4th.
Humans are dooming themselves because of corporate greed.
There are a couple of hundred steps in between that you missed.
@sh76 saidIf this was the first time we've ever discussed climate change on this site where points made discussing how corporations heavily contributing to global warming value profits over the welfare of the planet weren't made hundreds of times before, you'd be right.
You went straight from "hottest days on record" to "Humans are dooming themselves"
There are a couple of hundred steps in between that you missed.
@vivify saidI didnt make any claim…LOL
Unless you cite a source for your claims like EVs "causing global warming" it's not worth responding to.
I just asked for your source on environmental impact of electric vehicles.
It seems YOUR claim is gasoline powered vehicles is better than electric.
Just cite your source of the environmental impact of the life of an electric vehicle.
@mott-the-hoople saidWrong.
It seems YOUR claim is gasoline powered vehicles is better than electric.
@mott-the-hoople saidMy God… it’s not rocket science.
I didnt make any claim…LOL
I just asked for your source on environmental impact of electric vehicles.
It seems YOUR claim is gasoline powered vehicles is better than electric.
Just cite your source of the environmental impact of the life of an electric vehicle.
What are batteries made of? Where’s it dug up? Where’s the battery assembled? Where’s the car assembled? Where’s it sold?
Ahhh.. that’s quite the footprint already.
Then… there’s the weight of the car. They’re heavier, ergo… more tyres in a lifetime, and more wear and tear on the roads.
I was talking to a Mercedes top guy in Germany last Summer and he was explaining that Mercedes can now make diesel cars, which over their lifetimes, are better for the environment than electric battery cars, but that the government wants the electric ones, so that’s what they’re forced to invest in.
The future is obviously going to be hydrogen engines. Using Sun, wind and ocean currents to generate the electricity needed for conversion and using that to power electric motors. Or so says the Engineering office in Rotterdam. And since they know more about this than you, I or probably most experts in the world… ya know…
It’s gonna be 10 to 20 years before it really takes off though, the infrastructure still needs to be properly developed. It will be busses and trucks pushing this forward (because it’s hardly worthwhile using batteries in them for international distances).
@vivify saidwithout those corporations of which you despise, you would not be typing on this board right now, yet you are too stupid to realize it.
If this was the first time we've ever discussed climate change on this site where points made discussing how corporations heavily contributing to global warming value profits over the welfare of the planet weren't made hundreds of times before, you'd be right.
@sonhouse saidIt's not a world wide denial.
@Wajoma
Funny how there is this world wide denial of human interference with climate.
I suspect it is because those folks cannot wrap their head around the fact for instance, that we are as humanity, using up RIGHT NOW 50% of the available resources on the whole planet, it is not an infinite amount of resources like the fish in the sea, we have been over fishing and will c ...[text shortened]... s twenty or thirty feet more than we have now, goodbye Manhattan, Florida, the Bahamas and so forth.
It's just the idiot conservatives... the ones who would rather pass a selfish tax cut than save the planet.
@mott-the-hoople saidLet them endanger humanity's existence so you can act big on a chess site?
without those corporations of which you despise, you would not be typing on this board right now, yet you are too stupid to realize it.
Dumbass.