Katyn Massacre Redux

@mott-the-hoople said
you are on here defending this hamas terrorist group, I just wanted to see if you will shytweasel your way out of it later on.

you defend them but are too cowardly to admit it

@no1marauder said
Actually I haven't defended them once.

You're welcome to find a single post where I did.

@mott-the-hoople said
people can read shytweasel
and its noted that you didnt say you dont support hamas when given the chance

Starting to be some pushback regarding the IDF version:

"The investigation reveals that Israeli statements seem to have misinterpreted the evidence to build a story that one of the flashes recorded by several sources was a rocket misfire.

Based on a detailed review of all videos, Sanad’s analysts conclude that the flash Israel attributed to a misfire was in fact consistent with Israel’s Iron Dome missile defence system intercepting a missile fired from the Gaza Strip and destroying it in mid-air."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza

There's an accompanying video showing at least four airstrikes in the vicinity of the hospital in the minutes before the explosion.

But I know, Al Jazeera (even though Israeli apologists have been claiming that that network's footage supports the IDF version). How about UK Channel 4:

"Channel 4 News aired a detailed investigative report regarding the explosion at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, while expressing the need for an independent enquiry after casting doubt on evidence made public by the Israeli government.

Chief correspondent Alex Thomson’s report, broadcast late Wednesday, delves deep into the claims made by the Israelis, who assert that a malfunctioning rocket by Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad was the cause of the explosion."

"The journalist went on to explain that it was during the press conference that Israel released an audio recording purportedly capturing a conversation between two Hamas fighters, in which they supposedly stated that Israel was not behind the incident.

“Hamas call this an obvious fabrication,” Thomson said. “Two independent Arab journalists told us the same thing because of the language, accent, dialect, syntax and tone. None of which is, they say, credible.”

Thomson further scrutinised the claim regarding the launch point of the rocket, emphasising the alleged inconsistencies in the Israeli report.

“Equally Israel claims the Islamic Jihad failed missile was fired from a cemetery very close to the hospital,” he continues, showing a map of the area. “But look again at the video of the event. The trajectory of the missile doesn’t line up with that location: too high, too horizontal. Confusingly, the Israeli’s presentation also says the missile was fired from a location down in the southwest. It can’t be both.”

Regarding the physical evidence at the hospital, Thomson said, “What we observe at the scene are minor craters you’d expect from a to those from mortar shells or artillery fire, rather than from a missile.”

He elaborated: “Adjacent structures display minimal damage, and the windows of a neighbouring church are still intact. This may suggest that the probability of a ground-based Israeli missile attack is low. However, it doesn’t discount the use of an airburst weapon, which can lead to significant casualties with less infrastructural harm.”

In closing, Thomson said that Israel’s past media communications have not always been accurate and listed out its various denials and misrepresentations.

“Israel has form when it comes to war propaganda,” he said. “Its claims about not being responsible for shooting dead British filmmaker James Miller in Gaza, 20 years ago, were widely dismissed, not least by a British court.”

“Israel denied shooting dead Palestinian American photo-journalist Shireen Abu Akleh last year, only to backtrack later on, admitting they probably did kill her just two examples from a long track record. And as we’ve seen, Israel has already attacked this hospital and yesterday it’s accused of bombing a UN protected school, killing several civilians.”

https://www.mediaite.com/uk/channel-4-news-israel-evidence-gaza-hospital/

Here's the five minute video referenced in the above article: https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

Interesting.
However, as Soothfast has already pointed out, the first thing to die in a war is truth.

Obviously Hamas and the Israelis can’t be trusted when reporting about the war they are both in.

This is from the Archbishop of Canterbury on Sunday, pointing out a prior attack on the hospital:

"The Ahli Hospital was hit by Israeli rocket fire last night, with four staff injured in the blast."

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury

@shavixmir said
What we do know is that more than 3300 Palestinian civilians have been murdered since Israel started bombing Gaza.

Hospital or bloody not.

@no1marauder said
Starting to be some pushback regarding the IDF version:

"The investigation reveals that Israeli statements seem to have misinterpreted the evidence to build a story that one of the flashes recorded by several sources was a rocket misfire.

Based on a detailed review of all videos, Sanad’s analysts conclude that the flash Israel attributed to a misfire was in fact con ...[text shortened]... howing at least four airstrikes in the vicinity of the hospital in the minutes before the explosion.

@mott-the-hoople said
people can read shytweasel
and its noted that you didnt say you dont support hamas when given the chance

@wildgrass said
you didn't say you don't?

Absolutely nothing in this debate has changed in decades. Just merely questioning in any way the effectiveness or humanity of Israel's policies is not the same thing as being Pro-Hamas.

You may be too young to remember the Iraq war buildup. The WMDs and anyone against the invasion, from the politicians to the protestors, were labeled terrorist sympathizers. This is how war mongers get what they want.

@mott-the-hoople said
did you hear him criticism hamas? just shooting up kids at a party…nothing wrong with that ehh?

he is clinging to a debunked media narative

its really cool for you to try to help out your fellow cligue member tho 😂

@mott-the-hoople said
did you hear him criticism hamas? just shooting up kids at a party…nothing wrong with that ehh?

he is clinging to a debunked media narative

its really cool for you to try to help out your fellow cligue member tho 😂

@zahlanzi said
he doesn't have to preface every single fukin sentence about israel commiting war crimes with "i condemn hamas, hamas is a terrorist organization and they commit terrorist acts" just because you're dumb and you need constant reminder where people stand.

Since you're too dumb to tell, i promise I will let you know if marauder ever supports hamas and thinks there is nothin ...[text shortened]... hooting kids at a party. Until then, don't hurt yourself trying to think. You're ill equiped for it.