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Originally posted by dottewellI have stated this many times: I consider the moment of conception the moment a human comes into being, possessing all the basic Human Rights held by all the other members of the human family, in particular the Right to Life. Therefore performing an abortion on an unborn child, killing the unborn child, is an infringement on its basic rights and therefore morally unacceptable.
(a) I am fully aware of bbarr's theory, which was clearly stated in this thread. Yours remains a mystery as you are clearly too busy to actually contribute positively to this or any other thread by stating a position.
(b) Your habit of failing to give other people's views your full and honest scrutiny may amuse you but is a failing nonetheless.
(c) ...[text shortened]... e cases of late-term abortion that are more acceptable than others because of the circumstances.
Originally posted by ivanhoeYes, you keep stating your position, but you keep failing to
I have stated this many times: I consider the moment of conception the moment a human comes into being, possessing all the basic Human Rights held by all the other members of the human family, in particular the Right to Life. Therefore performing an abortion on an unborn child, killing the unborn child, is an infringement on its basic rights and therefore morally unacceptable.
say WHY.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Bosse de NageActually, he has stated (but never demonstrated) that his points of
Well, I'm taking a wild stab in the dark here, but don't Ivanhoe's views directly reflect the views of the Roman Hierophant?
view stem from reason and do not require religion to support them.
I've been begging him since one of my first posts to demonstrate
this.
He has refused in a variety of ways including:
1) Claiming he stated somewhere previously in a thread;
2) Claiming that the person asking the question is doing so insincerely;
and, most recently,
3) Posing the same question back at the asker, and trying to
distract the reader from his non-answering.
Nemesio
Originally posted by ivanhoeWhat is the right to life? Is it something held by all human beings? How do you define a human being? Is it different to a person?
I have stated this many times: I consider the moment of conception the moment a human comes into being, possessing all the basic Human Rights held by all the other members of the human family, in particular the Right to Life. Therefore performing an abortion on an unborn child, killing the unborn child, is an infringement on its basic rights and therefore morally unacceptable.
Does the value of a human being have something to do with an eternal soul?
Originally posted by bbarrAs you know, in science if you belief something you have to prove it. I am saying I do not know if morals exist. If you claim they do then prove it to me.
I think it is permissible to abort fetuses that have yet to develop the capacity to suffer. If you are asking why I think this is permissible, the answer is simply this: the permissibility of abortion is an entailment of what I take to be the most plausible ethical theory. I reached this conclusion by thinking a lot about theoretical ethics. You may think ...[text shortened]... ou have a good argument for this claim, present it. What is the first premise of this argument?
This is very important because if morals do not exist then your decission is based on a misunderstanding or even a lie.
Originally posted by kn195I think "all this blather about morality" is very important because thats what those in favout of abortion base their ideas on.
As i have also pointed out in the abortion thread, this issue needs to be looked at in context. There is no clear cut answer to the abortion debate. we may not ever know scientifically when consciousness begins and we're actually killing a person but a four cell blastocyst with less innate intelligence than an amoeba is unlikely to fit the definition. Conv ...[text shortened]... viable alternative (perhaps enforced sterilization) all this blather about morality is pointless
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This is the content of this thread's first post.
Canadaguy: "I'm interested in knowing what you left wingers actually believe in. All my life all I've ever heard is snide comments and conservative bashing from you guys. Never have I heard what you actually want from this world and what you believe to be true and right. Here is your chance to sell me on your beliefs."
This makes this thread's subject more than clear.
Originally posted by NemesioPlease read the above post.
Actually, he has stated (but never demonstrated) that his points of
view stem from reason and do not require religion to support them.
I've been begging him since one of my first posts to demonstrate
this.
He has refused in a variety of ways including:
1) Claiming he stated somewhere previously in a thread;
2) Claiming that the person asking ...[text shortened]... estion back at the asker, and trying to
distract the reader from his non-answering.
Nemesio