12 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidYou still have not explained what about the CDC public statements (or data) is being deliberately manipulated, or how the are deliberately misleading us. You've stated they are manipulating data or deliberately misleading people but it doesn't appear that way at all. A quote would be nice, or any reference really. Youtube propaganda videos aren't cutting the mustard here.
You know what I mean. The public generally does not read what we read. They rely on public statements from the CDC and hear it on the news.
You are evading my question because you will have to admit what you already know, the CDC deliberately mislead the public. Knowing it and admitting it are two different things.
Answer my question or admit you are wrong.
13 Jun 21
@wildgrass saidI explained it well. You are either lying or you have not made an effort to read properly. What did the CDC state publicly that the news media echoed? This does not include written statements on their website. Hardly anybody reads them.
You still have not explained what about the CDC public statements (or data) is being deliberately manipulated, or how the are deliberately misleading us. You've stated they are manipulating data or deliberately misleading people but it doesn't appear that way at all. A quote would be nice, or any reference really. Youtube propaganda videos aren't cutting the mustard here.
I think you are helping no1 pretend there is some nonexistent ambiguity. He only did that to weasel out of answering my question. Is that what you are trying to do?
@metal-brain saidAre you seriously claiming that the CDC through the news media didn't tell anyone that COVID19 was far more dangerous to older adults than it is to children and adolescents?
I explained it well. You are either lying or you have not made an effort to read properly. What did the CDC state publicly that the news media echoed? This does not include written statements on their website. Hardly anybody reads them.
I think you are helping no1 pretend there is some nonexistent ambiguity. He only did that to weasel out of answering my question. Is that what you are trying to do?
That is absurd.
13 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidYou are being dishonest again. You are attempting to move beyond one statement to include unrelated statements. You know that has nothing to do with my question.
Are you seriously claiming that the CDC through the news media didn't tell anyone that COVID19 was far more dangerous to older adults than it is to children and adolescents?
That is absurd.
When the CDC made the statement (not written) that children hospitalizations had increased that older adults had far higher hospitalizations in that same statement?
Yes or no?
13 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidYou are truly baffling. This cite complains about the study itself, not any statements (none of which you have produced) and makes the same mistake i.e. assuming there was a large drop in hospitalizations in May because CDC data is still incomplete for that period.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/cdc-report-on-hospitalization-rates-in-teens-misleading-says-doctor_3855161.[WORD TOO LONG]
@metal-brain saidProvide me the "statement" you are objecting to. Is it this one: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0604-director-statement.html
You are being dishonest again. You are attempting to move beyond one statement to include unrelated statements. You know that has nothing to do with my question.
When the CDC made the statement (not written) that children hospitalizations had increased that older adults had far higher hospitalizations in that same statement?
Yes or no?
If that is your narrow focus, then "no" that particular statement doesn't mention that hospitalizations among adults is higher than adolescents. But everyone knows that and the CDC has made no effort to hide that fact. The June 4 statement is to encourage adolescents to get vaccinated by alerting their parents to the risks of COVID in the 12-17 age group which have been minimized in the popular media. Vaccines were not authorized for 12-15 year olds until May 12. https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/population-care/pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-ok-d-ages-12-15-what-doctors-must-know
Out of morbid curiosity, why do you think the rate of hospitalizations for adults would be relevant to a statement encouraging adolescents get vaccinated? The CDC has been encouraging adults to get vaccinated as soon as the vaccines were approved for them and has now done the same for adolescents.
13 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidLike I said, misleading.
Provide me the "statement" you are objecting to. Is it this one: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0604-director-statement.html
If that is your narrow focus, then "no" that particular statement doesn't mention that hospitalizations among adults is higher than adolescents. But everyone knows that and the CDC has made no effort to hide that fact. The June 4 statem ...[text shortened]... vaccinated as soon as the vaccines were approved for them and has now done the same for adolescents.
@metal-brain saidI just want to know what you are claiming is manipulated by the CDC? Is there a relevant quote or exchange you could use to explain the manipulation?
I explained it well. You are either lying or you have not made an effort to read properly. What did the CDC state publicly that the news media echoed? This does not include written statements on their website. Hardly anybody reads them.
I think you are helping no1 pretend there is some nonexistent ambiguity. He only did that to weasel out of answering my question. Is that what you are trying to do?
14 Jun 21
@wildgrass saidhttps://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/05/20/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
I just want to know what you are claiming is manipulated by the CDC? Is there a relevant quote or exchange you could use to explain the manipulation?
https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/03/07/busted-cdc-inflated-covid-numbers-accused-of-violating-federal-law-government-manipulation-revealed/comment-page-1/
@metal-brain saidThe second cite's claim that the CDC violated federal law by publishing guidance on a pandemic without going through "rule making" procedure is debunked here: https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/cdc-covid-data-manipulation.189211
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/05/20/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/03/07/busted-cdc-inflated-covid-numbers-accused-of-violating-federal-law-government-manipulation-revealed/comment-page-1/
I debunked the other one as well, but I'm too lazy to find it now.
14 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidYou liar! I challenged you to a bet and you cowered!
The second cite's claim that the CDC violated federal law by publishing guidance on a pandemic without going through "rule making" procedure is debunked here: https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/cdc-covid-data-manipulation.189211
I debunked the other one as well, but I'm too lazy to find it now.
I will repeat the same offer.
If you are really so confident of that would you care to make a bet on it? If you lose you create a thread called "Metal Brain is right and I was wrong". If I lose I will do the same for you if I fail to prove it before June 1st.
Agreed?
14 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidI already told you to f..k off on that bet and explained why. It would require you to admit you were wrong which you absolutely refuse to do.
You liar! I challenged you to a bet and you cowered!
I will repeat the same offer.
If you are really so confident of that would you care to make a bet on it? If you lose you create a thread called "Metal Brain is right and I was wrong". If I lose I will do the same for you if I fail to prove it before June 1st.
Agreed?
14 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidThat has never happened. You are making up hypothetical fairy tales to avoid making a bet because you know you are wrong and you are lying. You are a coward!
I already told you to f..k off on that bet and explained why. It would require you to admit you were wrong which you absolutely refuse to do.
15 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidIs this about vaccine breakthrough cases?
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/05/20/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/03/07/busted-cdc-inflated-covid-numbers-accused-of-violating-federal-law-government-manipulation-revealed/comment-page-1/