12 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidNone of these links answer my question. I could not even read the second one as my computer was bombarded with pop-ups and antivirus warnings.
If you think you can prove the CDC does not manipulate data you are wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/05/20/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/03/ ...[text shortened]... ated-covid-numbers-accused-of-violating-federal-law-government-manipulation-revealed/comment-page-1/
Can you explain it? What data is misleading? The Blaze article I did read did not claim any manipulation by the CDC, only that the news outlets were misinterpreting the CDC data. This is very different.
@metal-brain saidDo you even bother to read the articles you cite?
If you think you can prove the CDC does not manipulate data you are wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/05/20/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/03/ ...[text shortened]... ated-covid-numbers-accused-of-violating-federal-law-government-manipulation-revealed/comment-page-1/
The first one accuses the Florida Department of Health, not the CDC, of manipulating data because the actual data would have been detrimental to the reopening plan!
The other two simply repeat crank conspiracy theories you have already presented on this site which have been thoroughly debunked.
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidTell us all how many times the difference is with all the other age groups.
The study wasn't regarding other age groups, which you would know if you had bothered to read its title:
"Hospitalization of Adolescents Aged 12–17 Years with Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 — COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020–April 24, 2021"
Now don't you feel like a fool?
You know fully well that the numbers are a crap load higher and the CDC had no desire to mention that. That is deliberately misleading.
Don't you feel like a fool?
@metal-brain saidActually, they mention it in the first sentence of that study that you very obviously still haven't read. In fact, they mention that fact repeatedly:
Tell us all how many times the difference is with all the other age groups.
You know fully well that the numbers are a crap load higher and the CDC had no desire to mention that. That is deliberately misleading.
Don't you feel like a fool?
"Summary
What is already known about this topic?
"Most COVID-19–associated hospitalizations occur in adults, but severe disease occurs in all age groups, including adolescents aged 12–17 years."
"Most COVID-19–associated hospitalizations occur in older adults, but severe disease that requires hospitalization occurs in all age groups, including adolescents aged 12–17 years (1). "
"During March 1, 2020–April 24, 2021, the cumulative COVID-19–associated adolescent hospitalization rate (49.9) was 12.5 times lower than that in adults aged ≥18 years (675.6)."
"COVID-NET data indicate that COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates were lower in adolescents aged 12–17 years compared with those in adults but exceeded those among children aged 5–11 years during March 1, 2020–April 24, 2021."
"Population-based COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates among adolescents were lower than were those in adults, a finding consistent with studies showing that illness is generally milder in children than in adults (6). "
It's probably mentioned a few more times, but that is enough to show the profound falsity of your claim.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder said"The other two simply repeat crank conspiracy theories you have already presented on this site which have been thoroughly debunked."
Do you even bother to read the articles you cite?
The first one accuses the Florida Department of Health, not the CDC, of manipulating data because the actual data would have been detrimental to the reopening plan!
The other two simply repeat crank conspiracy theories you have already presented on this site which have been thoroughly debunked.
You are lying again.
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidIs that what the CDC publicly stated? Yes or no?
Actually, they mention it in the first sentence of that study that you very obviously still haven't read.
@metal-brain saidI added quotes from the study.
Is that what the CDC publicly stated? Yes or no?
You tell me.
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidYou didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what they wrote. I asked what they publicly stated. You know the difference.
I added quotes from the study.
You tell me.
Is that what the CDC stated publicly? Yes or no?
@metal-brain saidNo, I really don't know the difference between what a government publishes in official reports available to the public without charge and what they "stated publicly".
You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what they wrote. I asked what they publicly stated. You know the difference.
Is that what the CDC stated publicly? Yes or no?
Perhaps you could enlighten us.
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidYou know what I mean. The public generally does not read what we read. They rely on public statements from the CDC and hear it on the news.
No, I really don't know the difference between what a government publishes in official reports available to the public without charge and what they "stated publicly".
Perhaps you could enlighten us.
You are evading my question because you will have to admit what you already know, the CDC deliberately mislead the public. Knowing it and admitting it are two different things.
Answer my question or admit you are wrong.
12 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidThen, "yes", the CDC has consistently stated that "most children with COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms," https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0512-advisory-committee-signing.html and has made clear that the disease is more dangerous for those who are older.
You know what I mean. The public generally does not read what we read. They rely on public statements from the CDC and hear it on the news.
You are evading my question because you will have to admit what you already know, the CDC deliberately mislead the public. Knowing it and admitting it are two different things.
Answer my question or admit you are wrong.
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidYour continual evading my question is an admission that I am right.
Then, "yes", the CDC has consistently stated that "most children with COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms," https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0512-advisory-committee-signing.html and has made clear that the disease is more dangerous for those who are older.
Good enough. Better luck next time.
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@metal-brain saidI just answered it. Sorry it wasn't in the way you wanted, but the evidence says what it says; the CDC has consistently said COVID19 wasn't as dangerous on average to adolescents as it was to older adults.
Your continual evading my question is an admission that I am right.
Good enough. Better luck next time.
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And you'd think you were right no matter how I answered it; you never admit your many, ludicrous errors.
12 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidWe can agree on that for sure.
I just answered it. Sorry it wasn't in the way you wanted, but the evidence says what it says; the CDC has consistently said COVID19 wasn't as dangerous on average to adolescents as it was to older adults.
And you'd think you were right no matter how I answered it; you never admit your many, ludicrous errors.
You still have not answered my question. Evading answering one question by stating the obvious isn't answering the question. I expected more dishonesty from you though. It only confirms how stupid you feel. Good enough. This was good for a laugh. I look forward to the next time you lie and pretend people don't notice you are making a fool out of yourself.
12 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidI answered your question. You don't like the answer, so you're lying about me answering it. That's rather strange behavior.
We can agree on that for sure.
You still have not answered my question. Evading answering one question by stating the obvious isn't answering the question. I expected more dishonesty from you though. It only confirms how stupid you feel. Good enough. This was good for a laugh. I look forward to the next time you lie and pretend people don't notice you are making a fool out of yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T4yRzesgKM
Seriously, you need to see a professional mental health specialist.