@athousandyoung saidUh ok no I don’t think we have many, if any, of them. 🤞
"Karens" show their racism in that they often call the police when they see blacks in affluent areas, even if the black person owns a home there or is legally using business facilities.
@earl-of-trumps saidI noticed there are 5 "dislikes" for this post even though it consists of simple facts.
Here's some more!
California faculty union demands free tuition for black students, removal of armed campus cops
[i]The California Faculty Association, a union for faculty in the California State University system, is calling for free tuition for black and indigenous students, a mandatory ethnic studies course, and for the defunding and removal of a ...[text shortened]... x.com/california-faculty-union-demands-free-tuition-for-black-students-removal-of-armed-campus-cops/
I presume that indicates that democrats just don't like the truth.
@techsouth saidLOL
I noticed there are 5 "dislikes" for this post even though it consists of simple facts.
I presume that indicates that democrats just don't like the truth.
That, and they really don't like me making them FACE the truth.
Last week I posted and article and got down-thumbs and two "reports" - LOL
over an article!!
It's just how power pig totalitarians behave.
@quackquack saidMore foot stamping.
The choice is simple: we could use my suggestion and have the law treat people equally or we can use your suggestion and abandon equality before the law because you saw a field study. And, with all due respect, only a fool would allow a dictator, like yourself, to implement a plan where people are hired and/ or keep their job because of their race and not their qualific ...[text shortened]... hiring decision was discriminatory or stop questioning it. Racial preferences are never justified.
So no remedy for this type of systemic racism which economically disadvantages minorities? They already aren't being judged on their "qualifications" as those studies show even though an individual of various minorities who achieves any where near similar "qualifications" to a white has had to overcome obstacles the latter never faces (see my 100 meter runner v. 100 meter hurdler analogy).
You're a supporter of a system that disadvantages minorities and you oppose any effective measures that might end that discrimination. Tell me what that makes you?
@earl-of-trumps saidBoo Hoo. I got some "thumbs down". 😢
LOL
That, and they really don't like me making them FACE the truth.
Last week I posted and article and got down-thumbs and two "reports" - LOL
over an article!!
It's just how power pig totalitarians behave.
That you and tech would even care about such trivia just shows your pathetic devotion to right wing persecution complex.
EDIT: And it wasn't just an article, you added this comment:
Earl: Democrats are discriminating by skin color, there is no denying it. And they are proud to do it.
If one was a "thumbs down" type of person (I rarely am), one might consider your conflating what one teachers union in California proposes with what "Democrats" do, as sufficiently false and misleading to warrant a "thumbs down".
@no1marauder saidA sane person wouldn't look at a 100m race (your dumb analogy) and assume that the loser faced more obstacles and therefore deserves the first place prize. Similarly, I will not look at someone who has a job and someone who doesn't have a job and assume it was because of racism. Either prove a specific case of racism (you refuse to be bothered with that) or accept that without specific proof there is no reason to favor one group over another. It is comical that your interpretation of a case study leads you to believe that we should abandon the concept of equality and give or take away opportunities based on race. Only an insane person would replace the concept of equality before the law, with allocation based on racial parameters determined by you.
More foot stamping.
So no remedy for this type of systemic racism which economically disadvantages minorities? They already aren't being judged on their "qualifications" as those studies show even though an individual of various minorities who achieves any where near similar "qualifications" to a white has had to overcome obstacles the latter never faces (see my 100 m ...[text shortened]... d you oppose any effective measures that might end that discrimination. Tell me what that makes you?
@quackquack saidThis is pointless; you just keep repeating the same nonsensical propaganda while throwing in childish insults.
A sane person wouldn't look at a 100m race (your dumb analogy) and assume that the loser faced more obstacles and therefore deserves the first place prize. Similarly, I will not look at someone who has a job and someone who doesn't have a job and assume it was because of racism. Either prove a specific case of racism (you refuse to be bothered with that) or accept that ...[text shortened]... he concept of equality before the law, with allocation based on racial parameters determined by you.
No "sane" person would like at an actual 100m race run where one person ran on a clear track and the other on one with hurdles and conclude the one on the clear track who finished .5 seconds faster was a faster runner. That you so conclude shows an obvious defect in your reasoning based apparently on your unthinking adherence to an outmoded ideology with an unconcern with the effects of discrimination and prejudice on various minorities in the US.
" I will not look" sums up your position precisely; you won't look because you wouldn't be able to defend what you would see.
@no1marauder saidThere is nothing outmoded about requiring proof of a specific act of wrongdoing before implementing a remedy. There is also nothing outmoded about not permitting race when allocating benefits (or should we also eliminate the criminal justice system and just have you determine based on race who goes to jail?)
This is pointless; you just keep repeating the same nonsensical propaganda while throwing in childish insults.
No "sane" person would like at an actual 100m race run where one person ran on a clear track and the other on one with hurdles and conclude the one on the clear track who finished .5 seconds faster was a faster runner. That you so conclude shows an obvious def ...[text shortened]... p your position precisely; you won't look because you wouldn't be able to defend what you would see.
If specific injustices were obvious as you claim, then you could easily prove them, and remedy them. But the truth is you have no desire to implement a fair system. You simply think society needs a dictator, like yourself, to determine based on race who gets scarce resources. I simply think society is better off with a system based on equality.
@no1marauder saidI'm not reading QQ's stuff anymore since it's just the same thing over and over and over again (with petty insults tossed in), but here's a lucid response regarding what affirmative action accomplished for black and white students and how California has suffered from its ending:
Boo Hoo. I got some "thumbs down". 😢
That you and tech would even care about such trivia just shows your pathetic devotion to right wing persecution complex.
EDIT: And it wasn't just an article, you added this comment:
Earl: Democrats are discriminating by skin color, there is no denying it. And they are proud to do it.
If one was a "thumbs down" type of pe ...[text shortened]... proposes with what "Democrats" do, as sufficiently false and misleading to warrant a "thumbs down".
"William Bowen and Derek Bok’s classic book The Shape of the River systematically looks at the impact of affirmative action by exploring decades of data from a group of selective colleges. They find that black students who probably benefited from affirmative action — because their achievement data is lower than the average student at their colleges — do better in the long-run than their peers who went to lower-status universities and probably did not benefit from affirmative action. The ones who benefited are more likely to graduate college and to earn professional degrees, and they have higher incomes.
So affirmative action acts as an engine for social mobility for its direct beneficiaries. This in turn leads to a more diverse leadership, which you can see steadily growing in the United States.
But what about other students — whites and those from a higher economic background? Decades of research in higher education show that classmates of the direct beneficiaries also benefit. These students have more positive racial attitudes toward racial minorities, they report greater cognitive capacities, they even seem to participate more civically when they leave college.
None of these changes would have happened without affirmative action. States that have banned affirmative action can show us that. California, for example, banned affirmative action in the late 1990s, and at the University of California, Berkeley, the percentage of black undergraduates has fallen from 6 percent in 1980 to only 3 percent in 2017. "
https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/18/07/case-affirmative-action
It is unfortunate that propaganda like QQ spews is an impediment to reintroducing programs that so clearly benefited the country. But the wish of some to maintain a system which discriminates actively and subtly against various minorities and thus benefits the white majority is quite strong.
An excellent article here: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2019/10/01/471085/5-reasons-support-affirmative-action-college-admissions/
I don't like long cut and pastes but there's so much in here and right wingers like QQ won't read it so I'll use quite a bit of it:
"College enrollment and completion rates have risen significantly over the past four decades. However, students of color, especially black and Latinx students, are more underrepresented at selective universities today than they were 35 years ago. In fact, a black student enrollment disparity exists at 45 of the 50 flagship state universities, meaning that the percentage of undergraduates who are black is lower than the percentage of high school graduates in that state who are black. For example, black students constituted 50 percent of 2015–2016 high school graduates in Mississippi, but were just 12.9 percent of University of Mississippi undergraduates.
Banning affirmative action only worsens this persistent problem. For example, one study found that students of color experience a 23 percentage point decline in likelihood of admission to highly selective public colleges after an affirmative action ban goes into effect."
"Evidence gathered by the Century Foundation suggests that racially integrated classrooms can reduce students’ racial bias, improve satisfaction and intellectual self-confidence, and enhance leadership skills."
"While income can and should be considered as part of a holistic evaluation of applicants, it should complement rather than supplant the consideration of race and ethnicity. Income can serve as a good indicator of a household’s ability to cover regular expenses, but it doesn’t tell the whole story about economic well-being and access to higher education.
Wealth makes it easier for families to relocate to better school districts, purchase test preparation books and classes, and pay or help pay college tuition. But centuries of systemic racism and intergenerational transfers have provided white households with far more wealth than households of color, even after controlling for income. In fact, middle-income white households typically have twice as much wealth as their Latinx counterparts and three times more wealth than their black counterparts. As a result, students of color (especially black students) are more likely than similarly situated white students to attend underfunded and high-poverty K-12 schools.
Even when students of color have wealthy parents or attend the same schools as white students, they experience the U.S. educational system differently. For example, students of color are less likely to be referred to “gifted and talented” programs, even after controlling for test scores, health, socio-economic status, and classroom and school characteristics. Schools are also more likely to suspend or expel students of color than white students. Beginning as early as preschool, these experiences can hinder social-emotional and behavioral development; limit educational experiences; obstruct the process of identifying and addressing underlying issues; and contribute to increased family stress and burden due to challenges in finding an affordable and suitable alternative placement. Data also show that race-based bullying is on the rise, and black and Latinx students who experience bullying are more likely to suffer academically than their white peers. Until the racial wealth gap and other forms of structural racism are eliminated, income alone will be insufficient for promoting diversity on college campuses nationwide."
" Students of color have long faced systemic barriers in the American education system, including exclusion, segregation, underfunding, fewer resources, and lower familial wealth. As a result, students of color are more likely to fare worse on the indicators of success that colleges evaluate for admission, making it harder for people of color to access top-tier public and private colleges. Race-conscious admissions practices, such as affirmative action, attempt to remedy these inequities by encouraging colleges to take a closer look at some of the nontraditional factors that could make a student successful—factors often overlooked in traditional admissions criteria.
Wealthier, often white, students are more likely to have had a parent that attended college—meaning those students are likely to benefit from practices such as legacy preference. In addition, white students are likely to have greater amounts of wealth and attend K-12 schools that provide multiple extracurricular activities, sports programs, and college prep resources. As a result, these students are particularly competitive applicants for top-tier institutions. Affirmative action allows colleges to use holistic reviews to consider race as one of many factors under evaluation when reviewing applicants. Therefore, affirmative action betters the chances of a student of color receiving fair, comprehensive consideration instead of being overlooked for admission."
"Despite the barriers low-income students and students of color face to gain access to higher education, research has shown that once admitted to top-tier institutions, low-income students complete their degree at higher rates and earn almost as much as wealthy students postgraduation. These findings suggest that all students, regardless of background, benefit from the value top-tier institutions provide. So while some argue that low-income students and students of color may be overwhelmed by the academic rigor at selective colleges, research suggests the opposite.
Affirmative action can help to level the playing field by ensuring all students—regardless of wealth, privilege, or background—have a chance to benefit from the advantages selective colleges provide."
If anyone wants to refute these points, be my guest but I'm not going to keep responding to simplistic propaganda and insults.
@no1marauder said'll stand by my posts. You a free to wrongfully believe that taking away opportunities from one group and giving them to another group is progress. I'm 100% percent for treating people equally regardless of their race and I believe that is both morally and practically superior to your position. I'm also 100% committed to requiring proof of a specific act or discrimination before implementing a racial discriminatory remedy. It appears that you want to create a society where races bargain for opportunities instead of individuals with the best credentials earn it.
I'm not reading QQ's stuff anymore since it's just the same thing over and over and over again (with petty insults tossed in), but here's a lucid response regarding what affirmative action accomplished for black and white students and how California has suffered from its ending:
"William Bowen and Derek Bok’s classic book The Shape of the River systematically looks at ...[text shortened]... actively and subtly against various minorities and thus benefits the white majority is quite strong.
@no1marauder saidno boo-hoo about it. I laugh! and 2 reports? Hilarious. the hate mongers are out there.
Boo Hoo. I got some "thumbs down". 😢
That you and tech would even care about such trivia just shows your pathetic devotion to right wing persecution complex.
EDIT: And it wasn't just an article, you added this comment:
Earl: Democrats are discriminating by skin color, there is no denying it. And they are proud to do it.
If one was a "thumbs down" type of pe ...[text shortened]... proposes with what "Democrats" do, as sufficiently false and misleading to warrant a "thumbs down".
"right wing persecution complex" 😆 😆 you are a riot.
@earl-of-trumps said(Shrug) Reporting the post seems excessive; as I said I didn't and wouldn't bother to "thumbs down" it; I'd need surgery if I gave a "thumbs down" to every post of yours that was false, misleading propaganda. The point was the post didn't just contain "simple facts" as tech south claimed and you agreed.
no boo-hoo about it. I laugh! and 2 reports? Hilarious. the hate mongers are out there.
"right wing persecution complex" 😆 😆 you are a riot.
Yes, right wing persecution complex is now the #2 malady effecting the white population in the US IF the posts on this Forum are representative of general opinion among whites (I doubt it though there is a disturbingly large percentage of white Americans who believe that their group is the most discriminated against in the US 2020).
@earl-of-trumps saidThe real pigs are those beasties with the blue suits and long red ties on your side.
It's just how power pig totalitarians behave.