@wildgrass saidVery thoughtfully thought out, but I can only think that these possibilities are being heavily weighed by the administration. It is not so willy-nilly as you suggest. And your 'stimulus' programs? You suggest they worked before, but they do 'end'. So why do something temporary? Best to let water seek its own level. Do what needs doing, starting with NOT hiring people with govt money to sit at a desk. We must agree to not pay a not-job. So, if we let people with vacant expressions just sit at empty desks, we have solved nothing. Kamala would be doing that right now. Doing nothing.
I don't think you'll find anyone on this forum who disagrees that the government can and should be run as efficiently as possible. There's always room for improvement.
The real debate is over process. It seems you are saying that the DOGE method is unlikely to succeed but try it anyway because why not?
There are known ways to do this that work. Clinton cut spending, f ...[text shortened]... se will be some of the biggest job losses we've ever seen, outside of a few months in 2008 and 2020.
We agree something has to be done. We HAVE to start by restructuring govt job force. Some here on the FORUM believe we should be sure everyone has a job. That is a wrong-headed way to look at it, and your thoughts are wasted if we think liberally about the employees. Something has to change.
If I have 3 housekeepers, but can get the job done with One housekeeper, should I keep the 3 so they all have a job? This sentence is the crux of this post.
@AverageJoe1 saidAgain Joe, the problem is not a debate topic, it's the process.
Very thoughtfully thought out, but I can only think that these possibilities are being heavily weighed by the administration. It is not so willy-nilly as you suggest. And your 'stimulus' programs? You suggest they worked before, but they do 'end'. So why do something temporary? Best to let water seek its own level. Do what needs doing, starting with NOT hiring people ...[text shortened]... e housekeeper, should I keep the 3 so they all have a job? This sentence is the crux of this post.
You can already see that this administration is planning to spend a lot of federal dollars. $2 trillion more than Biden at last xount. DOGE is cover for saying "see, we tried to cut spending" down the line, while in fact they went about government efficiency in the wrong way from the start. This isnt the way to do it, it will backfire. If they dont already know this, then they are idiots.
@wildgrass saidYou ignore the old adage, you gotta spend money to make money. Can you not see that Trump does money like we do breakfast? Jeez, give him a break, he has been at it less than 30 days, and has people like you nipping at him, when he knows circles around you. Aren't you one of the people who tried to GIVE $670B to college graduates? Hell, Trump ought to be questioning YOUR logic!
Again Joe, the problem is not a debate topic, it's the process.
You can already see that this administration is planning to spend a lot of federal dollars. $2 trillion more than Biden at last xount. DOGE is cover for saying "see, we tried to cut spending" down the line, while in fact they went about government efficiency in the wrong way from the start. This isnt the way to do it, it will backfire. If they dont already know this, then they are idiots.
And you berating what Musk is up to......Hey, is what he doing a dangerous exercise,,,,,,to just find out where waste is and do away with it? Now, you might say, avjoe, he is causing people to lose jobs. Then, I would say, Wildgrass, the ONLY way for Musk to not cause job losses is to NOT FIRE them!
So, let Musk do his great job of finding waste, but not fire people?
You libs.
@AverageJoe1 saidSpend it to make it? Spending federal tax dollars strategically to support economic goals is the literal philosophy of liberals.
You ignore the old adage, you gotta spend money to make money. Can you not see that Trump does money like we do breakfast? Jeez, give him a break, he has been at it less than 30 days, and has people like you nipping at him, when he knows circles around you. Aren't you one of the people who tried to GIVE $670B to college graduates? Hell, Trump ought to be questioning ...[text shortened]... FIRE them!
So, let Musk do his great job of finding waste, but not fire people?
You libs.
@AverageJoe1 saidConservatives should be opposing government spending. You are promoting it.
You ignore the old adage, you gotta spend money to make money. Can you not see that Trump does money like we do breakfast? Jeez, give him a break, he has been at it less than 30 days, and has people like you nipping at him, when he knows circles around you. Aren't you one of the people who tried to GIVE $670B to college graduates? Hell, Trump ought to be questioning ...[text shortened]... FIRE them!
So, let Musk do his great job of finding waste, but not fire people?
You libs.
@wildgrass saidContrare',, Many a board meeting is to decide how much money to invest to get it back 10-fold. Don't be obtuse, as my Aunt Melon would say.
Spend it to make it? Spending federal tax dollars strategically to support economic goals is the literal philosophy of liberals.
@wildgrass saidYou simply do not get the point.....and worse, you totally discount the logic of the adage,.
Conservatives should be opposing government spending. You are promoting it.
So you are going to start a company with $110k. 6 months later, you see an opportuiity which you cannot ignore, you cannot afford NOT to buy into it. So, you pull $100k out of your revenues and plow it back into the business.
Why do I think yoyu still have that one donut shop, never opened one across town? I hope you at LEAST spent $10k for a new sign on the front of the building. Amazing how many good ole' boys are drawn to a blinking sign. Did you notice how many more donuts you are selling? Let's run this by Sonhouse!!
Whew.
@AverageJoe1 saidU write this like a liberal.
You simply do not get the point.....and worse, you totally discount the logic of the adage,.
So you are going to start a company with $110k. 6 months later, you see an opportuiity which you cannot ignore, you cannot afford NOT to buy into it. So, you pull $100k out of your revenues and plow it back into the business.
Why do I think yoyu still have that one do ...[text shortened]... g sign. Did you notice how many more donuts you are selling? Let's run this by Sonhouse!!
Whew.
@wildgrass saidNo, I write this like a businessman who is dead set on making as much money as he can, so he can retire early and take his wife sailing around the world.
U write this like a liberal.
But, yes, it could have indeed been written by Moonbus or Me, or Suzianne, or anyone on the Forum, or anyone in the world.
Y'all are cracking. You should step back from your computers, get a grip. Apparently, you ain't got no business?
@AverageJoe1 saidSo Trump does not get a top dog at FAA and now 5 plane crashes.
You simply point out that this is a new day. I can't believe you liked the old day better.
Or firing scientists trying to find a cure for bird flu.
Opps, didn't mean to fire all those scientists, but now they can't find them to get them back to work.
Same with our NATIONAL NUCLEAR safety folks, fired HUNDREDS of them, then realized BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID, opps, we fuuked up and sent out the word to reinstate those folks and they can't find THEM.
National parks closed because of the assshole hiring freeze and you think things are fuuking BETTER NOW?
Trump is an elephant in a china closet and his henchman Musk is fuuking with ALL of us, getting our private data that NOBODY was allowed access to no matter what you bleat out about IRS could do that bla bla bla, this is an order of magnitude higher danger than anything ever happening to the us INCLUDING the civil war.
Musk HATED the USAID from childhood and got it killed and people started dying the next FUUKING DAY and Muskrat just laughs.
So all that happening, repubs wanting to increase the ND by FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS and this is a good thing, YIPPEE, things are SO much better now?
What FUUKING PLANET DO YOU COME FROM ANYWAY?
@AverageJoe1 saidThis is a sick demented version of real conservatism. If we dont have a political party that is interested in limited government, we just grow out of control.
No, I write this like a businessman who is dead set on making as much money as he can, so he can retire early and take his wife sailing around the world.
But, yes, it could have indeed been written by Moonbus or Me, or Suzianne, or anyone on the Forum, or anyone in the world.
Y'all are cracking. You should step back from your computers, get a grip. Apparently, you ain't got no business?
At least the Democrats are responsible enough to understand taxes need to increase to pay for all this stuff. $100 billion new government spending program for the tech bros to build AI and you cheer because government is being run like a business?
@sonhouse saidYeah, Plane Crashes a d Trump, all in the same sentence. Man, you have really got me thinking Sonhouse you may be right about everything
So Trump does not get a top dog at FAA and now 5 plane crashes.
Or firing scientists trying to find a cure for bird flu.
Opps, didn't mean to fire all those scientists, but now they can't find them to get them back to work.
Same with our NATIONAL NUCLEAR safety folks, fired HUNDREDS of them, then realized BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID, opps, we fuuked up and sent out the word t ...[text shortened]... a good thing, YIPPEE, things are SO much better now?
What FUUKING PLANET DO YOU COME FROM ANYWAY?
@AverageJoe1 saidSarcasm does not suit you. You go, I said Trump and plane crash in the same post but totally ignoring the other really STUPID things your deity is doing. Why can't you talk about THOSE eh?
Yeah, Plane Crashes a d Trump, all in the same sentence. Man, you have really got me thinking Sonhouse you may be right about everything
@sonhouse saidHey, why can’t you talk about what is right? It is right that they discovered more billions today, but you don’t write about that. I would rather hear you write about January 6.
Sarcasm does not suit you. You go, I said Trump and plane crash in the same post but totally ignoring the other really STUPID things your deity is doing. Why can't you talk about THOSE eh?
So let us all get this straight. DOGE is a farce, is that right. They have found no waste.
@AverageJoe1 saidThe supposed waste was not BILLIONS, it was really 11 MILLION.
Hey, why can’t you talk about what is right? It is right that they discovered more billions today, but you don’t write about that. I would rather hear you write about January 6.
So let us all get this straight. DOGE is a farce, is that right. They have found no waste.
But OF COURSE you believe whatever they puke out.
But you just try to divert the conversation. I talked about the firings in ESSENTIAL governmental offices where hundreds were fired because of the utter incompetence of WH, and they realized a day later they fuuked up and tried to recall those folks but cannot find them.
THIS is great government?