@AverageJoe1 saidThe usual first sign that one has lost an argument is the resort to faulty analogies. So, someone coming uninvited into my private residence is not the same as someone coming into the country without their paperwork in hand. It's an appeal to emotion, not reason, and therefore may be roundly rejected without further comment.
You know what I meant. It just irritated your sensibilities. If someone breaks into your house you would 'get thtem the hell out of there". You see, they are not legal, they break the law. We can put them jail (that is the 'do what we want to do,' under the law). Yeah, I guess it does not sound pretty , How would you say it? Put them up in a hotel?
Would you e ...[text shortened]... it from there. I don't think Marauder's constitution would apply to getting him out of your house.
Anyone who continually relies on such false analogies may be safely ignored. Anyone who cherry picks certain circumstances wherein a migrant was put up in a hotel, or was rendered some service, merely makes my case for me. What case is that? There are millions of migrants in the US, and the vast majority of them give more than they get. That the opposite may be true for a relative few hardly makes your case.
Did I not already say something to the effect that you slurp up right-wing propaganda like a hog at a trough? And what does propaganda do when it doesn't outright lie? I'll tell you: it cherry picks.
Do you know what cherry picking is? Do you know how one can lie with statistics by assigning outsized significance to a few outliers in a vast data set? If you do, you only seem to believe "liberals" do it, and nowhere in this forum seem to acknowledge the possibility that it happens on your end of the political spectrum.
The sooner you get your head out of Trump's ass and see that he is not the Nietzschean Superman you have made him out to be, the better off you'll be psychologically when he truly fails you in the end. Because fail you he will.
@Suzianne saidThe word illegal is hundreds f years old, and of course, applies to any one wo breaks a law. Couch it any way you like.
The Constitution still applies.
These people are entitled to due process.
And oh yeah, people cannot be "illegal". Using facts, instead of racial slurs, they are undocumented immigrants.
Then, along come some unusual people who made up the word undocumented, and tried to erase the word illegal. Make your own decision, but you will be just amazed at this. They mean different things!!! You learn a lot. here.
. "Undocumented" focuses on the lack of legal documents, while "illegal" suggests a violation of law, which can be a more loaded and negative term.
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@AverageJoe1 saidAssuming you live in the USA, please show us your colonizing ancestors' entry documents to support your right to continue to live here.
The word illegal is hundreds f years old, and of course, applies to any one wo breaks a law. Couch it any way you like.
Then, along come some unusual people who made up the word undocumented, and tried to erase the word illegal. Make your own decision, but you will be just amazed at this. They mean different things!!! You learn a lot. here.
. "Undocumented" ...[text shortened]... ocuments, while "illegal" suggests a violation of law, which can be a more loaded and negative term.
@Soothfast saidAn appeal of emotion?? What in the hell? And you distinguish between someone who breaks into our home country, and a person who breaks into our home!?!?? You yourself, are guilty of saying what you have said about me. Cherry pick a convenient argument. An invader is an invader. Appeal to emotion!?? There are 195 other countries that they can 'appeal' to. Nuthin here, Fast
The usual first sign that one has lost an argument is the resort to faulty analogies. So, someone coming uninvited into my private residence is not the same as someone coming into the country without their paperwork in hand. It's an appeal to emotion, not reason, and therefore may be roundly rejected without further comment.
Anyone who continually relies on such fals ...[text shortened]... better off you'll be psychologically when he truly fails you in the end. Because fail you he will.
What has 'give more than they get' got to do with this subject? Do you mean if a guy breaks into our country that we should allow is illegal status since he is working somewhere? Got his kids with him? Put them in our schools? And, uh, just who are they? Who were their parents? Clean records?? Nuthin here, either.
You are saying let criminals be criminals in our country. What will you want next? Send them to college? Nuthin here. Pollyanna does not work with you.
Lie with statistics? Did you watch Musk and DOGE team in the interview last week with Bret Bair? He told a lot of statistics, facts on what they are doing. All documented, undeniable. But YOU, Sfast, are saying we only are being told lies. Golly...."Nowhere in this forum do you seem to acknowledge the possibility (your words)" that truth may be happening on our end of the spectrum. You are saying all of us conservatives on the Forum 'slurp propoganda' , and you speak from a Marauder-like high horse....you are right and we are wrong. Again, nuthin here.
And you wrap it up with a Sonhouse-like prediction: Trump will fail. There is REALLY nuthin there, Sfast. You boys are going to miss the train. Oh you will enjoy the New Golden Age he brings us, but not as much as people who are fully invested. That is my prediction. Somethin' here, for sure.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYou sure do write long for a guy who has nothing valid to say.
An appeal of emotion?? What in the hell? And you distinguish between someone who breaks into our home country, and a person who breaks into our home!?!?? You yourself, are guilty of saying what you have said about me. Cherry pick a convenient argument. An invader is an invader. Appeal to emotion!?? There are 195 other countries that they can 'appeal' to. N ...[text shortened]... ut not as much as people who are fully invested. That is my prediction. Somethin' here, for sure.
@Suzianne saidWhen a poster says 'you' in the normal stream of things, he means persons in general terms of your ilk. If I say you are in favor of open borders, it is generally that your mob is. Nothing personal.
BECAUSE I DON'T PROMOTE CHANGING THE CONSTITUTION!
What makes you think you can get away with lying like this?
Republicans want to change the Constitution to fit them. They already got away with ignoring the Fourteenth Amendment, I guess they think they can just rip the rest up so that Donald can stay in the White House.
Over our dead bodies.
Liberals here often say constitution is outdated, blah blah,needs changing. I don't think our side says that. Since ourcountry is obviously the country that foreigners want to come to, I sometimes wonder why your side wants to change anything at all. They are crazy about us. They like America like it is. They dam well like it more than you do.
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What country do you live in? Who are you really working for?
"Face down on the pavement, buddy. Better be ready to show us some valid creds, or you are out of here."
Is that the kind of America you are trying to cultivate from offshore?
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@no1marauder saidweeelllll, i guess i am thinking since we are looking at a horde of people, we can hardly afford to treat 20M on a case by case basis. So you need to tell us how you are going to get each one in fronf of a judge.................and jury, if they demand one!!!....with their Rights!!!!
MAGA is trying to expand the power of government while at the same time making it less useful to the People and efficient. While that might sound contrary, it's perfectly in line with the designs of the oligarchy that Trump and Musk represent.
I suggested you read the 5th Amendment; you refused to do so. It is not up to individuals to "prove" anything to the State or f ...[text shortened]... rocess. "Common sense" should tell you that is utterly necessary in any nation that isn't a tyranny.
You libs ae really out there. But obviously, in the hope you bring us all down and you can rebuild. I can see you on a peach crate in a square promising that the govt will take care of you.
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@AverageJoe1 saidHmm. Now I'm not sure whether you are Chinese, Russian, or American. So hard to tell. I wouldn't think Russian, because your chess is as average as mine. If you are Chinese, I am happy for your country's accomplishments, but please leave Taiwan alone to do its own thing. If you are American, well . . . your behavior has been somewhat disappointing.
weeelllll, i guess i am thinking since we are looking at a horde of people, we can hardly afford to treat 20M on a case by case basis. So you need to tell us how you are going to get each one in fronf of a judge.................and jury, if they demand one!!!....with their Rights!!!!
You libs ae really out there. But obviously, in the hope you bring us all down ...[text shortened]... rebuild. I can see you on a peach crate in a square promising that the govt will take care of you.
@AverageJoe1 saidTHIS was private?
That was a private conversation, and it was locker room joking. You Beta Males have no feel for locker room jargon.
So, you lose on this whataboutism. You simply are wrong. I just hate it.
These losers like Crocket (texas ? She is missouri....is that a lie) and the dancing bear, Tim Walz, love to bray from their podiums to the world with the F word right on down. Just sickening. Trump was shooting the breeze with a hanger-on.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321
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@sonhouse saidIt was colloquial joking that goes on between Alpha males all the time. I can’t speak to Beta males, all prevalent on this website. The difference in the two, so you will see where I’m coming from. Is that the profanity of Democrats, which is overwhelming the radio and media waves, is obviously meant to influence a certain section of voters, I don’t know who maybe the GX people or GNZ I don’t know. Meant to influence. The comment of Trump to the little interview guy was just a joke between the two of them as I understood it. It was not meant to influence anybody.
THIS was private?
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321
Let’s pretend that you and I have different takes on it and then we can stop talking about it. Cool?
NVO. Why would I insert this. Cryptic. Disregard.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt's never been 20M. 11M at the most, giving Trump plenty of room to deport citizens, too, which he's already done.
weeelllll, i guess i am thinking since we are looking at a horde of people, we can hardly afford to treat 20M on a case by case basis. So you need to tell us how you are going to get each one in fronf of a judge.................and jury, if they demand one!!!....with their Rights!!!!
You libs ae really out there. But obviously, in the hope you bring us all down ...[text shortened]... rebuild. I can see you on a peach crate in a square promising that the govt will take care of you.
@AverageJoe1 saidYour moronic MAGA fools are the ones clamoring for change. They (and you) have been conned by Trump into thinking we have to get rid of 'the other'. Y'all are the ones who desperately want to change the Constitution to be in Trump's image. If this happens, we are done as a world power.
When a poster says 'you' in the normal stream of things, he means persons in general terms of your ilk. If I say you are in favor of open borders, it is generally that your mob is. Nothing personal.
Liberals here often say constitution is outdated, blah blah,needs changing. I don't think our side says that. Since ourcountry is obviously the country that foreigners ...[text shortened]... ll. They are crazy about us. They like America like it is. They dam well like it more than you do.