Originally posted by FMFI find it quite ironic that it's mainly Americans who are so worried about taxes, even though they pay very little.
I have wasted scarcely a single minute of my life bellyaching about taxes. I find obsession with tax - even reaching the baffling extreme of equating an utterly mundane thing like 'a high level of tax' with "freedom"! - almost incomprehensible.
Originally posted by whodeyif you didn't pay taxes, who would kill muslims for you?
I am only stating how some of the Founding Fathers felt. For example, Ben Franklin once said taxes that exceed 1/10th of your income should be considered oppressive. The Boston Tea party was hatched due to taxation wihout representation etc.
I don't know anyone who does not like taxes, do you? In fact, the people who vote for them often don't even pay them as the Obama administration soon found out earlier this year. LOL.
Originally posted by whodeyYeah, it sucks receiving my Making Work Pay credit and my $8000 first time Homebuyer credit, not to mention my overall tax rate being reduced.
I am only stating how some of the Founding Fathers felt. For example, Ben Franklin once said taxes that exceed 1/10th of your income should be considered oppressive. The Boston Tea party was hatched due to taxation wihout representation etc.
I don't know anyone who does not like taxes, do you? In fact, the people who vote for them often don't even pay them as the Obama administration soon found out earlier this year. LOL.
Obama passed the largest middle class tax cut in history.
BTW, did Ben Franklin consider that in the future we'd have the modern, industrialized world that we have today? Since when are the words of 230 year old dead men from the horse and buggy days relevant to the modern world?
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperoh hey, come on now. You're making too much sense. Don't you know these forums are just for lunatics?
Yeah, it sucks receiving my Making Work Pay credit and my $8000 first time Homebuyer credit, not to mention my overall tax rate being reduced.
Obama passed the largest middle class tax cut in history.
BTW, did Ben Franklin consider that in the future we'd have the modern, industrialized world that we have today? Since when are the words of 230 year old dead men from the horse and buggy days relevant to the modern world?
Originally posted by whodeyNY has representatives involved in the tax-setting process. This is not a good analogy.
Well the Founding Fathers seemed to think they were related. However, as for socialists and the left on this site, taxation seems to have nothing to do with it. So I guess you simply have to choose where you live based upon your perspective.
Freedom is about things like whether homosexuality, gambling, drugs, prostitution, cigarettes, kinkiness, etc are suppressed (in violation of our Right to Pursue Happiness). I think I agree with FMF - freedom is not about taxation.
Originally posted by whodeyI'm unable to find your Franklin quote. When did he say it? What was the exact quote?
I am only stating how some of the Founding Fathers felt. For example, Ben Franklin once said taxes that exceed 1/10th of your income should be considered oppressive. The Boston Tea party was hatched due to taxation wihout representation etc.
I don't know anyone who does not like taxes, do you? In fact, the people who vote for them often don't even pay them as the Obama administration soon found out earlier this year. LOL.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperSince those people wrote the Constitution, numbnuts!
Yeah, it sucks receiving my Making Work Pay credit and my $8000 first time Homebuyer credit, not to mention my overall tax rate being reduced.
Obama passed the largest middle class tax cut in history.
BTW, did Ben Franklin consider that in the future we'd have the modern, industrialized world that we have today? Since when are the words of 230 year old dead men from the horse and buggy days relevant to the modern world?
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungAnd? So why should I care about an arbitrary number "10%" one of them had to say?
Since those people wrote the Constitution, numbnuts!
The complex, high-tech industrial world we live in today is like an entirely different planet than what they lived in.
I fully respect and even admire our founding fathers for what they accomplished. I'm even willing accept (not condone) that some of them owned slaves since they lived in an ignorant time.
But it baffles me how people can pull quotes from these guys and they act like they're words of wisdom coming from God himself. That every word they uttered was not only the right answer then, but the right answer 230 years later when the world is entirely different and almost infinately more complicated.