Obama and Clinton did what Trump did.

@AverageJoe1 said
???? You write about business failures. I have had some.
???? Personal girl problems? And don't mention the $750k that Clinton had to pay off someone he raped?
Your posts lack any and everything.

Oh, you had business failures that ended in you charged with FRAUD?
There is no way you can defend Trump by saying it was a 'business failure'.
Business failures happen for reasons like price of supplies gets too high to make a profit when people will not pay the price so no business or business downturn in general like a recession where nobody has money to spend on what you sell.
Trump's 'failure' was due to the FACT he conducted that business as a SCAM.
And proven in court it was a SCAM.
And the stormy Daniel case had nothing to do with the fact she was paid 130,000, it was due to the way Trump paid it and then tried to make it look like a legit business deduction for tax purposes. THAT was the illegality involved;.

If he had just given cash or a check directly to Stormy there would have been no case.

He tried to manipulate the payment in such a way it would have been a business deduction and that was illegal they way he did it.

So try another defense. That one SUCKED.

@AverageJoe1 said
Great way to debate? one issue at a time. Whew.

Did Iran intel not hear that statement, I may bomb, I may not?
If they didn't then explain why just two days before the bombing run they pulled the goodies out of one of those sites? or all three, all we see was dozens of trucks next to one and they for sure were not there to deliver pizza to the workers inside.

@Suzianne said
The main difference is that Clinton and Obama were legitimate presidents.

Trump is also a legitimate President this time around, unfortunately.

The problem is that he and his perhaps demon- or archon-infested appointees and enablers have no respect for our Constitution.

I'm looking forward to our next Independence Day.

P.S. -- I haven't searched for such a thing yet, but I wonder if someone might have posted an AI movie with Trump as Auric Goldfinger and Stephen Cheung as Oddjob -- however, to be fair to Mr. Cheung, he seems to have been sidelined in recent times, which is not an uncommon occurrence in Trump World.

@sonhouse said
Oh, you had business failures that ended in you charged with FRAUD?
There is no way you can defend Trump by saying it was a 'business failure'.
Business failures happen for reasons like price of supplies gets too high to make a profit when people will not pay the price so no business or business downturn in general like a recession where nobody has money to spend on what y ...[text shortened]... iness deduction and that was illegal they way he did it.

So try another defense. That one SUCKED.

I take no issue with what you write, except that Trump was never convicted of scam, he was called that by you et al, but there was no judgement, as he wrote a check for $25Million my granny told me, and walked away.
So, you lie. You know, Sonhouse, you can avoid of a lot of your lying by beginning your posts with "It is my opinion...." Like, it is my opinion his college was a scam.
Your post is fraud on its face, I win another one. YOu can do better. (?) Try a thread on painting statues in Ferguson.


Oh, my failures , maybe 4% of them, were not fraud. Your point?
The other 96%???? I am still rolling in it.

@sonhouse said
Did Iran intel not hear that statement, I may bomb, I may not?
If they didn't then explain why just two days before the bombing run they pulled the goodies out of one of those sites? or all three, all we see was dozens of trucks next to one and they for sure were not there to deliver pizza to the workers inside.

This one 2nd guesses the goings-on. Hmmm,,,,,to what end? To catch Trump!!! We will get Trump!!! Put him in jail.
But then what, little guy? A faerie socialist? Did you see the queer for NYC has TWO rings on his right hand, and 1 ring on his left hand pinky.
Let us see what the Donald is weeeaaaaarrrrrrrring.

Right. A president with no jewelry. He wouldn't fit in Netheralands, either.

@AverageJoe1 said
This one 2nd guesses the goings-on. Hmmm,,,,,to what end? To catch Trump!!! We will get Trump!!! Put him in jail.
But then what, little guy? A faerie socialist? Did you see the queer for NYC has TWO rings on his right hand, and 1 ring on his left hand pinky.
Let us see what the Donald is weeeaaaaarrrrrrrring.

Right. A president with no jewelry. He wouldn't fit in Netheralands, either.

@AverageJoe1

Instead of reporting your post, may I ask what is your problem with queers?

And if you have any serious problems, have you ever tried turning things around to consider why some queers (or whichever demographic) might have a problem with you?

[previous post deleted because I clicked the wrong button and had intended to quote your post for context]

@Arkturos said
@AverageJoe1

Instead of reporting your post, may I ask what is your problem with queers?

And if you have any serious problems, have you ever tried turning things around to consider why some queers (or whichever demographic) might have a problem with you?

[previous post deleted because I clicked the wrong button and had intended to quote your post for context]

Queer has many definitions. I have gay friends, I understand all that. But, They do not act or dress funny like this guy who wants to run NYC. Queer in my book. 3 rings, one of whch is a a pinky. brrrrrr
If you had to say he is normal by regular acceptable male/female standards, would you say he is somewhat queer, or would you say he is normal? Like, a role model for your son. Right. Do you want your son to wear 3 rings, one on a pinkky.? Follow me here, you can do it.

Rest easy..."As a political statement: The term "queer" can be used as a political statement against heteronormativity and cisnormativity, challenging societal expectations and promoting a more inclusive and diverse understanding of gender and sexuality.

The rings are a flag. What else would they be?

@AverageJoe1 said
Queer has many definitions. I have gay friends, I understand all that. But, They do not act or dress funny like this guy who wants to run NYC. Queer in my book. 3 rings, one of whch is a a pinky. brrrrrr
If you had to say he is normal by regular acceptable male/female standards, would you say he is somewhat queer, or would you say he is normal? Like, a role model ...[text shortened]... d diverse understanding of gender and sexuality.

The rings are a flag. What else would they be?

Dear Joe, you backwoods doofus, you. 😉

What part of your post is aligned with the original American ideal of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

Where in the Declaration of Independence or The Constitution is conformity or "normality" upheld as an ideal?

Nobody is under any obligation to be a role model for anyone else. Some people live their own lives their own way, and others might take some inspiration from this or that role-model of their own choosing, or maybe just think, "Oh, yeah, I could also live my own life my own way."

I wonder if you might have just outed yourself re: playing an indirect (but perhaps well-intended) game.

I think the rings are no more flags than golden Trump lapel pins would be.
_____

As an addendum, here are some suggestions with which I recently bothered some of my relatives:

Live your life, find your nutrients, look for your people, maybe choose a better environment if you can, cultivate your skills, gather your ingredients, prepare your tools, and do your stuff.
_____

P.S. -- On my side, I do draw a line at nose rings.

@Arkturos said
Dear Joe, you backwoods doofus, you. 😉

What part of your post is aligned with the original American ideal of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

Where in the Declaration of Independence or The Constitution is conformity or "normality" upheld as an ideal?

Nobody is under any obligation to be a role model for anyone else. Some people live their own lives t ...[text shortened]... prepare your tools, and do your stuff.
_____

P.S. -- On my side, I do draw a line at nose rings.

OK. Friendly banter. Your daughter comes home from college, with her boyfriend. Hair bun, one pierced ear Also has 3 rings on pinky, index and ring finger.
Your subconscious fleets to characters played by Harrison Ford,.. The Man with No Name,... D'Jango,... you get my drift.
Son in law to be?

@AverageJoe1 said
I take no issue with what you write, except that Trump was never convicted of scam, he was called that by you et al, but there was no judgement, as he wrote a check for $25Million my granny told me, and walked away.
So, you lie. You know, Sonhouse, you can avoid of a lot of your lying by beginning your posts with "It is my opinion...." Like, it is my opinion his co ...[text shortened]... res , maybe 4% of them, were not fraud. Your point?
The other 96%???? I am still rolling in it.

You mean like how he walked away from TWO impeachments and 34 FELONY counts?
You are as I said in another post a STINKING TRUMPITE PROPAGANDIST and will be treated as such from now on.

@AverageJoe1 said
This one 2nd guesses the goings-on. Hmmm,,,,,to what end? To catch Trump!!! We will get Trump!!! Put him in jail.
But then what, little guy? A faerie socialist? Did you see the queer for NYC has TWO rings on his right hand, and 1 ring on his left hand pinky.
Let us see what the Donald is weeeaaaaarrrrrrrring.

Right. A president with no jewelry. He wouldn't fit in Netheralands, either.

Said like the Trumpite propagandist you really are.
You really want us to believe you are so STUPID you can't see where Trump blew the value of surprise allowing the Iranians to pull out near half ton of uranium and hundreds of centrifuges.
I see now you are no stupid ex lawyer, you are a planner, planning to get a really cushy job in the what you zealously hope is a coming dictatoship and you are ready willing and able to take some high office after you plow enough money at the feet of your lord Trump..

@sonhouse said
You mean like how he walked away from TWO impeachments and 34 FELONY counts?
You are as I said in another post a STINKING TRUMPITE PROPAGANDIST and will be treated as such from now on.

No, Sonhouse....I meant 'scams'. You said scams, I responded to scams.
What is that you do here...... you sure don't debate.
And you will treat me as a propagandist. My immediate thought....what does what you treat me as got to do with me.?

@sonhouse said
Said like the Trumpite propagandist you really are.
You really want us to believe you are so STUPID you can't see where Trump blew the value of surprise allowing the Iranians to pull out near half ton of uranium and hundreds of centrifuges.
I see now you are no stupid ex lawyer, you are a planner, planning to get a really cushy job in the what you zealously hope is a comin ...[text shortened]... lling and able to take some high office after you plow enough money at the feet of your lord Trump..

silly guy. He told them he was going to blow them up, and this means he just miiiiigght have figured they would leave with their possessions (uranium). So I would have to think you are wrong, that he knew what he was doing.
But your military acumen and diplomatic background says Trump was wrong.

@AverageJoe1 said
silly guy. He told them he was going to blow them up, and this means he just miiiiigght have figured they would leave with their possessions (uranium). So I would have to think you are wrong, that he knew what he was doing.
But your military acumen and diplomatic background says Trump was wrong.

PLEEESE. Trump can't think more than 5 minutes ahead of anything.
He was totally blind about military tactics blithely talking about military strikes as if he was talking about a bingo game.
Even Vance said 'we are not after regime change, we are after stopping Iran getting a nuclear bomb' or words to that effect.
You don't do it by blabbing for days, I will, I won't, nobody knows.
The operation used on Iran was complex and planned for decades, the military has plans like that stored up ready to go.
so that operation was VERY expensive and ANY POTUS with half a brain would have wanted a real outcome of such a strike but Trump blurted that crap out because he knows NOTHING about subtleties of military tactics.
He is all about PHOTO ops. He thinks he is a reality TV star and military tactics are WAY above his ability to comprehend.
You want to cripple Iran's ability to make a nuke, you DON'T broadcast your desire to bomb the primary nuclear facility in Iran days in advance.
Just you saying 'he knows what he is doing' is just further proof you are in fact a Trumpite propagandist.