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    @shavixmir said
    Just because a news outlet doesn’t push trump-brand lies and conspiracy, doesn’t make it left-wing.
    What are you saying .."...a news outlet does not push trump-brand lies and conspiracy.." ? Correct me if I am wrong, but it is ineluctable that CBS ABC and NBC are left leaning. Don't get you there.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    On the Hunter#2” thread a while back your words were...”The dossier wasn’t fake.” You said that. A one-line post, which began with “Pssst...”

    So now here you surface, casting aspersions at ole matter-of-fact AvJoe, that I write claptrap!.?!??!!???!! After making a statement which I am SURE our resident libs relied on to their detriment !?? Isn’t that at least ...[text shortened]... ntruth, misrepresentation?
    Suzianne, please elaborate, or say you were wrong.....in both cases😦
    I was not wrong... in both cases.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    What are you saying .."...a news outlet does not push trump-brand lies and conspiracy.." ? Correct me if I am wrong, but it is ineluctable that CBS ABC and NBC are left leaning. Don't get you there.
    Dude. They are not left-leaning.

    They’re not propagating ultra-right nonsense. That’s different from left-leaning.

    Your politics is so far out of the ball game only nutters, paranoid delusionals and conspiracy freaks can even listen to it.

    A working health care system, diversity in the police force and a minimum wage are not left-wing ideals. They’re mainstream and most right-wing political parties want these implemented to a certain degree as well.

    CBS, etc. are not pushing a left-wing agenda.
    You don’t hear them screaming for unionization or disbanding the army or complete nationalization of water, electricity, infrastructure and gas.

    You don’t hear them criticise the essence of capitalism.

    No. You don’t hear them claiming the world is flat and trump isn’t a liar either. But that’s because they’re not nutters.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    This could go on all day. Anyone in the world could fight for our country. An illegal from Mexico could fight for our country. We do not 'draft', nor do we force people in this country, or in Puerto Rico, to go into service.
    Over two million young men forced to go and kill innocent civilians in Vietnam would like to disagree with you. As would the goodness knows how many whose lives were destroyed because they couldn't bring themselves to sink to that level.

    And yes, in principle, even today you could be drafted into the US murder industry, should the government find it necessary.
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    @shallow-blue said
    Over two million young men forced to go and kill innocent civilians in Vietnam would like to disagree with you. As would the goodness knows how many whose lives were destroyed because they couldn't bring themselves to sink to that level.

    And yes, in principle, even today you could be drafted into the US murder industry, should the government find it necessary.
    Yes, they could be drafted, There ‘could’ be a lot of things. Kev was speaking of today.
    I didnt like VNam deal either. Another topic, i would think.
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    @shavixmir said
    Dude. They are not left-leaning.

    They’re not propagating ultra-right nonsense. That’s different from left-leaning.

    Your politics is so far out of the ball game only nutters, paranoid delusionals and conspiracy freaks can even listen to it.

    A working health care system, diversity in the police force and a minimum wage are not left-wing ideals. They’re mainstream and ...[text shortened]... em claiming the world is flat and trump isn’t a liar either. But that’s because they’re not nutters.
    Working health care system? Do you think the democratic approach will result in a healthcare system that works? I guess you will have to define works. If you want to crunch the numbers right now, don’t forget to factor in the wave of caravans coming in over the border. What a laugh.
    I think if you Google which media outlets are liberal or conservative, you will find that you are incorrect.
    Your unionization and capitalism comments are wrong. Media does indeed want unions, we want right to work. They want socialism. Wherre’ve you been?
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    17 Jan '21 13:061 edit
    @suzianne said
    I was not wrong... in both cases.
    Forgive me

    I must have gaslighted a Non Sequitur
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Working health care system? Do you think the democratic approach will result in a healthcare system that works? I guess you will have to define works.
    Gosh, yeah. What a gamble. If only it had worked in just about every single country in the world that had tried it, that would... What did you say, Pinky? It did? And it still does, to this day? My, fancy that.
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    @shallow-blue said
    Gosh, yeah. What a gamble. If only it had worked in just about every single country in the world that had tried it, that would... What did you say, Pinky? It did? And it still does, to this day? My, fancy that.
    It may work there if they are Homogeneous countries, denmark NorwayScandinavia, minimal populations (5M is it?), strict borders.
    We hear you, so, tell us, what countries are you speaking of? To compare the USA to, that is. 330,000,000 million, non-homogeneous. An honest answer please. Or you could try that time-worn gambit of writing about Trump. I haven’t heard his name on the forum in 20 minutes.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    It may work there if they are Homogeneous countries, denmark NorwayScandinavia, minimal populations (5M is it?), strict borders.
    We hear you, so, tell us, what countries are you speaking of? To compare the USA to, that is. 330,000,000 million, non-homogeneous. An honest answer please. Or you could try that time-worn gambit of writing about Trump. I haven’t heard his name on the forum in 20 minutes.
    Hello? I'm sorry,??? are you there.......
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Hello? I'm sorry,??? are you there.......
    We've covered this idiotic argument many times here.

    Even assuming those countries had a "homogenous" population (they don't; in fact Norway and Sweden have a higher percentage of their population foreign born than the US does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population) that has nothing to do with the type of health care system that can be successfully implemented.
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    @no1marauder said
    We've covered this idiotic argument many times here.

    Even assuming those countries had a "homogenous" population (they don't; in fact Norway and Sweden have a higher percentage of their population foreign born than the US does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population) that has nothing to do with the type of health care system that can be successfully implemented.
    I actually clicked on that link, a rarity for me, it was a bit laborious, but I could find many links about the homogenous countries. We can agree it aint USA. Those white countries you keep mentioning, they are all white. Fair haired bike riders. You are wrong,
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I actually clicked on that link, a rarity for me, it was a bit laborious, but I could find many links about the homogenous countries. We can agree it aint USA. Those white countries you keep mentioning, they are all white. Fair haired bike riders. You are wrong,
    Your an idiot, is the UK an homogeneous white country because we’ve had universal healthcare since the 40s. It ain’t perfect but as an average income citizen I’d take it over your system every time.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Your an idiot, is the UK an homogeneous white country because we’ve had universal healthcare since the 40s. It ain’t perfect but as an average income citizen I’d take it over your system every time.
    OK, you can change the subject from Denmark to the UK, you guys do that all the time.
    The UK. Truly, comparing the Denmark situation to ours is impossible, and cannot be utilized in the USA society. (I note that you say you would take UK over our system anytime....Ole Joe, here, I rather like doing my own picking and my own PERSONAL health coverage. Kev, you like the government doing your picking? Does your family know you are doing that? Doesn't sound very responsible to me. I rather like controlling my own life)
    So, start a new thread on comparing the USA coverage to the UK coverage, I may learn something. I've never studied it. Yours may be better. I got a new knee 8 days after being diagnosed in 2016. Will I be able to get a new knee that fast in the UK, I am big on how fast things get done here. You could start your thread with 'wait times' there, and maybe in Canada......where I would have to wait for SIX MONTHS.
    Difficult to compare countries, there are so many factors. I wonder who has the best doctors? Best scientists, for vaccines, etc....inventions. Health insurance plans.
    You say yours is not perfect. Neither is ours. So what is your point? That we should be like UK or Denmark, when neither of the 3 is perfect? In Denmark, there is a huge tradeoff, which is all that taxation and crap and the government intervention in lives. Stifled prosperity. But, oh so happy. Creepy stuff. Would you rather be dependent, or independent?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    It may work there if they are Homogeneous countries, denmark NorwayScandinavia, minimal populations (5M is it?), strict borders.
    We hear you, so, tell us, what countries are you speaking of? To compare the USA to, that is. 330,000,000 million, non-homogeneous. An honest answer please. Or you could try that time-worn gambit of writing about Trump. I haven’t heard his name on the forum in 20 minutes.
    Every country in Europe has some sort of working health system for everyone.

    Infact, the larger the population, the cheaper it should be.
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