Protesters shouting, I am Hamas.

Are these genocidal maniacs or peaceful protesters?

@kellyjay said
Are these genocidal maniacs or peaceful protesters?

they're idiots and israel is still committing genocide.

assuming this actually happened and you're not doing a thought experiment

@zahlanzi said
they're idiots and israel is still committing genocide.

assuming this actually happened and you're not doing a thought experiment

https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-university-protester-yells-were-all-hamas-video/

@zahlanzi said
they're idiots and israel is still committing genocide.

assuming this actually happened and you're not doing a thought experiment

Bad things are happening, and people are dying. Genocide is a term used for when everyone is being killed for who they are, typically that is not thrown about when deaths are more in line with horrific collateral damage. Moreover, if both sets of combatants wanted to avoid those types of deaths, none of them would be hiding where when conflict finds them it is unavoidable.

One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel.

@kellyjay said
Bad things are happening, and people are dying. Genocide is a term used for when everyone is being killed for who they are, typically that is not thrown about when deaths are more in line with horrific collateral damage. Moreover, if both sets of combatants wanted to avoid those types of deaths, none of them would be hiding where when conflict finds them it is unavoidable.

One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel.

"Genocide is a term used for when everyone is being killed for who they are"
palestinians are killed for who they are

"typically that is not thrown about when deaths are more in line with horrific collateral damage"
when you systematically target civilian targets, bomb refugee camps and hospitals and school, there is no longer collateral damage. It is intentional damage.

"Moreover, if both sets of combatants wanted to avoid those types of deaths, none of them would be hiding where when conflict finds them it is unavoidable."
Collective punishment is a war crime. Israel is punishing the palestinian population for the actions of a terrorist organization. Israel is committing an act of terrorism and a war crime

"One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel."
One side is a terrorist organization that doesn't have a fraction of the other's body count. A terrorist organization that has mentioned it wants to destroy Israel but doesn't have the means to actually do it and never will.
Another side is systematically trying to erase palestinians from existence, either pushing them out of their homes and putting them in jail or bombing them after being handed the 7th october massacre as an excuse. While having billions in aid from the US. It has the means to kill palestinians and it uses them. Methodically and intentionally. It does so without remorse and without humanity because it can, because Biden or any other president US might have is too much of a chickensht to risk losing some evanghelical votes, one of which you are. Yes, i am considering you indirectly responsible for palestinian deaths.

The last sides are the israeli and palestinian peoples. The former is being put in danger by handing Hamas the greatest recruitment drive in their history. The latter is being bombed into oblivion and starved when not. Losing their homes almost seems like a minor nuisance at this point but is also a part of the genocide.

@kellyjay said
Are these genocidal maniacs or peaceful protesters?

Anybody shouting "I am Hamas" is obviously a religious nutjob or is having a psychotic break.

And Israel is still ethnically cleansing people.

@kellyjay said
Are these genocidal maniacs or peaceful protesters?

Unless they were IDF they are peaceful protesters exercising their 1st amendment rights, A link to a video would have been nice just to confirm the numbers in case some dishonest type rise to conflate this with the more general protests against the genocide in Gaza and the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank

@kellyjay said
Bad things are happening, and people are dying. Genocide is a term used for when everyone is being killed for who they are, typically that is not thrown about when deaths are more in line with horrific collateral damage. Moreover, if both sets of combatants wanted to avoid those types of deaths, none of them would be hiding where when conflict finds them it is unavoidable.

One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel.

“ One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel.”
Err extremists on one side stating an impossible aim for effect and the ultra right img government of Netanyahu actually in the process of committing actual genocide
Oh well you were only 100% wrong

At this point, the murderous Israel government is the embodiment of SouthPark's "it's coming straight for us, shoot it" hunting meme

@kevcvs57 said
“ One side is using genocide as a stated goal and it isn't Israel.”
Err extremists on one side stating an impossible aim for effect and the ultra right img government of Netanyahu actually in the process of committing actual genocide
Oh well you were only 100% wrong

You believe anyone calling for genocide against anyone is not a genocidal maniac?

@kellyjay said
You believe anyone calling for genocide against anyone is not a genocidal maniac?

The Hamas Charter of 2017 does not have anything in it about killing Jews.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

Of course, the Hamas Charter has never been voted on and approved by the Palestinian people, and so has no more weight than the platform of ANY political party. But still, here is the relevant section:

16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

@zahlanzi said
they're idiots and israel is still committing genocide.

assuming this actually happened and you're not doing a thought experiment

17 legal experts at ICJ hearing did not say Isreal is committing genocide. So maybe you should stop using the social media definition.

Hamas wants all Jews dead, it's their stated goal, and kills them whenever they can and you are faulting Israel for defending themselves?

@kellyjay said
You believe anyone calling for genocide against anyone is not a genocidal maniac?

yes, dumbass. the internet is filled with asholes calling for the death of any kind of group, persons, having dreams about commiting any manner of crime.

to be a genocidal maniac you have to commit genocide. And you can be a genocidal maniac while shouting over and over that you are defending yourself, that you don't mean to kill civilians, that you simply commit oopsies each and every damn day.

What would it take for you to look at Israel's actions as genocidal? You need to see Netanyahu on TV, doing a Hitler rally and a Hitler speech, saying he will kill all palestinians? That's the requirement for calling a genocide for what it is? The mass murderer admitting to his mass murder?

@rajk999 said
17 legal experts at ICJ hearing did not say Isreal is committing genocide. So maybe you should stop using the social media definition.

Oooh, 17 entire legal experts? I am totally convinced that these unnamed and unquoted legal experts said exactly what your lying dumbass claims they said.