@wildgrass
In the past 45 years every Democrat increased the deficit except Bill Clinton. He did not eliminate the deficit though. Only Andrew Jackson did that.
@Metal-Brain saidNo. You are referring to debt?
@wildgrass
In the past 45 years every Democrat increased the deficit except Bill Clinton. He did not eliminate the deficit though. Only Andrew Jackson did that.
@Metal-Brain saidIt's not an opinion. Just one example, George Bush inherited a budget surplus and ran the deficit up to $1.4 trillion per year. When Obama took office, it took time to clean up Bush's mess but by the time he left it was down to $600 billion. Then trump almost immediately broke Bush's record deficit spending, cranking it over a trillion again, before COVID.
"In the past 45 years, without exception, every single Republican president raised the deficit level and every Democrat lowered it"
No president lowered it in the past 45 years.
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!
@wildgrass saidYou moron!
It's not an opinion. Just one example, George Bush inherited a budget surplus and ran the deficit up to $1.4 trillion per year. When Obama took office, it took time to clean up Bush's mess but by the time he left it was down to $600 billion. Then trump almost immediately broke Bush's record deficit spending, cranking it over a trillion again, before COVID.
Obama increased the deficit by $600 billion. That is not a reduction.
Only Bill Clinton had a budget surplus when he left office in 2001.
Increasing the debt less is not reduction. That is like saying "I racked up more credit card debt, but not as much as my republican neighbor. That is not reducing the deficit. You still spent more than you earned.
Some people used to claim Bill Clinton eliminated the debt which is not true. Balancing the budget does not eliminate the deficit. Only Andrew Jackson did that and he had to kill the central bank to do it, his proudest achievement. As long as the FRS exists the national debt will never be eliminated. The FRS answers to nobody. It is more powerful than the POTUS and congress combined!
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@Metal-Brain saidThe deficit is a yearly budget number. The debt is the cumulative figure. These are different things.
You moron!
Obama increased the deficit by $600 billion. That is not a reduction.
Only Bill Clinton had a budget surplus when he left office in 2001.
Increasing the debt less is not reduction. That is like saying "I racked up more credit card debt, but not as much as my republican neighbor. That is not reducing the deficit. You still spent more than you earned.
...[text shortened]... be eliminated. The FRS answers to nobody. It is more powerful than the POTUS and congress combined!
There's no valid reason why trump doubled the deficit figure in his first two years in office.
Yes , democrats borrow money every year, but they borrow less than republicans. Democrats do the work to reduce the deficit while they are in office. But then since we Americans like shiny things and not paying for stuff, Republicans take over and start spending again. It's a 45 year cycle.
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@wildgrass saidPresident Franklin D. Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson contributed the largest percentage increase to U.S. national debt to date. Democrats! And do not blame it on war since they were both wars of choice.
The deficit is a yearly budget number. The debt is the cumulative figure. These are different things.
There's no valid reason why trump doubled the deficit figure in his first two years in office.
Yes , democrats borrow money every year, but they borrow less than republicans. Democrats do the work to reduce the deficit while they are in office. But then since we Ameri ...[text shortened]... ings and not paying for stuff, Republicans take over and start spending again. It's a 45 year cycle.
Calvin Coolidge reduced the debt and the deficit much more than Bill Clinton and he was a republican.
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
You are just cherry picking and you already attempted to move the goalpost. Your 45 year time limit is unacceptable. I reject it. It is another dishonest attempt to continue cherry picking like a cad as all hyper partisan people do and you are hyper partisan..
@wildgrass saidYou don't understand economics. Here is your chance.
Among Trump's policies that differ from, well, other policies is his idea to replace income taxes with tariffs.
Economists (all of them): that's the dumbest idea we've ever heard.
Republicans: all economists are deep state operatives, Soros-funded plants, indoctrinated by woke schools and married to a trans-athlete using your sister's bathroom.
MAGA: Trump never sa ...[text shortened]... ourse and calling it policy?
https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-income-tax-tariff-proposals/
https://rumble.com/v52unqr-can-we-print-endless-money-epic-debate-over-modern-monetary-theory.html
@Metal-Brain said45 years ago was the time when republicans decided they would stop trying to pay for their stuff. They let democrats clean up the finances after they buy all the extravangant items our government cannot afford.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson contributed the largest percentage increase to U.S. national debt to date. Democrats! And do not blame it on war since they were both wars of choice.
Calvin Coolidge reduced the debt and the deficit much more than Bill Clinton and he was a republican.
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-pe ...[text shortened]... t to continue cherry picking like a cad as all hyper partisan people do and you are hyper partisan..
@wildgrass saidStop being a partisan idiot. Both parties decided to do that. Anything since Lincoln is fair game. 45 years has no basis in reality. You just don't want anything before Reagan counted.
45 years ago was the time when republicans decided they would stop trying to pay for their stuff. They let democrats clean up the finances after they buy all the extravangant items our government cannot afford.
Stop cherry picking without justification.
You are being dishonest and you know it.
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@Metal-Brain saidI am not. Its a consistent trend. Here's the timeline, all fact, no distortion.
Stop being a partisan idiot. Both parties decided to do that. Anything since Lincoln is fair game. 45 years has no basis in reality. You just don't want anything before Reagan counted.
Stop cherry picking without justification.
You are being dishonest and you know it.
Reagan took the deficit from $70 billion up to $175 billion. Bush 41 took it up to $290 billion. Then Clinton got it back down to zero. Bush 43 took it from zero to $1.2 trillion. Then Obama halved it to $600 billion. Trump got it back over a trillion, and then over $2 trillion past the pandemic.
6 presidents, 45 years of recent history. Of course you can go back further, but deficits were not a significant problem prior to Reagan.
These are real numbers. The roller coaster goes up if Republicans are in charge, and down if Democrats are in charge. Why would you think Abraham Lincoln was relevant?
@wildgrass
You really think you are going to get anywhere 'debating' with a known commie? He gets his working papers from Putin and HATES democracy ANYWHERE in the world ESPECIALLY in the US where he would be dancing in the streets if by some horrible sick twist of fate Trump was the next POTUS and kept his word on what he would do if POTUS again, like dumping NATO, major attempt to kill Obama Care, Medicare, Social Security and anything else where the Feds pay ordinary citizens money.
Then of course those silly charges where we all know his totally innocent, he gets those charges canceled, crushed by yet another Trump pet AG and other pets who swear loyalty to Trump and Trump alone.
@wildgrass saidYou moved the goal post you cad. I never agreed to 45 years. That is cherry picking just like sea level rise trends. You idiots use the same BS cherry picking.
I am not. Its a consistent trend. Here's the timeline, all fact, no distortion.
Reagan took the deficit from $70 billion up to $175 billion. Bush 41 took it up to $290 billion. Then Clinton got it back down to zero. Bush 43 took it from zero to $1.2 trillion. Then Obama halved it to $600 billion. Trump got it back over a trillion, and then over $2 trillion past the pande ...[text shortened]... re in charge, and down if Democrats are in charge. Why would you think Abraham Lincoln was relevant?
You are a retard!
@sonhouse saidYou claimed you used to work for NASA.
@wildgrass
You really think you are going to get anywhere 'debating' with a known commie? He gets his working papers from Putin and HATES democracy ANYWHERE in the world ESPECIALLY in the US where he would be dancing in the streets if by some horrible sick twist of fate Trump was the next POTUS and kept his word on what he would do if POTUS again, like dumping NATO, major a ...[text shortened]... eled, crushed by yet another Trump pet AG and other pets who swear loyalty to Trump and Trump alone.
Total government control just like communism.
You are a pathetic hypocrite.
FDR and Wilson increased the national debt more than most republicans combined and they were democrats. Do you have the courage to admit you are both wrong?
Plenty of blame to go around. If WG really respected reducing the debt he should worship Andrew Jackson and hate the FRS. Worse yet, neither of you wants to learn how the FRS really works. That is why you will never watch this :
https://rumble.com/v52unqr-can-we-print-endless-money-epic-debate-over-modern-monetary-theory.html
WG doesn't have the courage either. He is a pathetic coward. He will immediately make up an excuse to justify ignoring it. So are you. So predictable!