@eintaluj saidso to sum up this massive pile of manure, you're asking us why do we believe the entire world (minus russia, belarus and china) instead of Russia who invaded the country in the first place, has outlawed most media, is arresting any dissenters and is constantly bombing civilian targets.
@kevcvs57
"The satellite, video and eye witness / victim accounts are conclusive.
You are maliciously choosing not to believe the evidence..."
The satellite images are NOT conclusive. The dates can be faked, and images can be manufactured. These images have to be analyzed by expert groups which are entirely independent of Russia, Ukraine, the US and other parties inv ...[text shortened]... se.
To @kevcvs57 itself, I have nothing else to say than to repeat myself: he/she is a criminal.
You know, you raise an interesting point. Why do we believe the war crime commiting invader is committing war crimes? I now have doubts
@eintaluj saidSo it’s a Georgian war crime then, well maybe if you hadn’t invaded their country they wouldn’t be taking that grudge to Ukraine, either way an injured combatant warrants the same treatment as a civilian, so whoever did it committed a war crime.
@kevcvs57
The head of the execution is Georgian mercenary Mamuka Mamulachvili (Мамука Мамулашвили). Someone took a video of that execution and shared it on some Ukrainian military channels on Telegram. It was noticed and shared on several Russian military channels on Telegram. Special programs were used to identify Mamulachvili - the head of the Georgian Brigade in Ukrain ...[text shortened]... it is he on the video, and a Ukrainian (not Russian) newspaper confirmed the identity of his person.
But if you asked me to rank war crimes in or of repugnance then offing an injured soldier who got injured whilst invading my country would be way below the cold bloodied one on one murder and rape of civilians and the wholesale slaughter of innocent people in their homes by the use of munitions.
The truth will out but I’m guessing you’ll deny and smudge any Russian wrong doing to your own grave.
@eintaluj said"satellite images are not conclusive. Let's look at what Russian channels show"
@kevcvs57
"The satellite, video and eye witness / victim accounts are conclusive.
You are maliciously choosing not to believe the evidence..."
The satellite images are NOT conclusive. The dates can be faked, and images can be manufactured. These images have to be analyzed by expert groups which are entirely independent of Russia, Ukraine, the US and other parties inv ...[text shortened]... se.
To @kevcvs57 itself, I have nothing else to say than to repeat myself: he/she is a criminal.
@kevcvs57 saidIf you got your way, a highly likely result would not be a massive Russian strategic strike but the use of a limited number of tactical nuclear weapons to annihilate the NATO divisions that you think would easily ride roughshod over the Russian troops in the Ukraine.
No matter what we do or don’t do he’s going to be a nutcase with his finger in the button.
Our best bet might be to call his bluff and more importantly the bluff of those around him who are probably sane but just cold blooded opportunist’s.
I know you didn’t mean it literally but it’s important to note that Putin would need the cooperation of lots of ordinary Russians in order to unleash Armageddon and not many have a place in the luxury bunker.
What would your advice be after that occurred?
https://www.politico.eu/article/terrifying-lesson-of-the-cuban-missile-crisis-nuclear-weapons-kennedy/
the Soviets had deployed more than 100 “tactical” nuclear weapons in Cuba. These smaller, battlefield-oriented nuclear weapons were to defend against an expected marine invasion by the United States.
@athousandyoung saidKev and others would be well advised to reflect on these three paragraphs in the article you cite:https://www.politico.eu/article/terrifying-lesson-of-the-cuban-missile-crisis-nuclear-weapons-kennedy/
the Soviets had deployed more than 100 “tactical” nuclear weapons in Cuba. These smaller, battlefield-oriented nuclear weapons were to defend against an expected marine invasion by the United States.
"If Kennedy had assented to his generals’ constant pressure to invade Cuba, the higher-than-known Soviet troop numbers likely would have made the landing and ground war much more difficult to win. This, in turn, would have created even greater pressure on Kennedy to escalate in order to avoid a politically devastating defeat. Such escalation would have then probably driven the Cubans/Soviets to use some of these nuclear weapons against invading forces. American officials would have assumed that Khrushchev had authorized this use of nuclear weapons. Therefore nuclear war was underway at Khrushchev’s instigation. The United States’ nuclear plans then called for unleashing most of the more than 18,000 nuclear weapons the U.S. military deployed in 1962, against the Soviet bloc and China.
When McNamara learned about the Soviet deployment of tactical nuclear weapons to Cuba 30 years after the fact, in 1992, he declared: “We don’t need to speculate what would have happened. It would have been an absolute disaster for the world … No one should believe that a U.S. force could have been attacked by tactical nuclear warheads without responding with nuclear warheads. And where would it have ended? In utter disaster.”
Similar harrowing developments were also occurring at sea, even in the days after the crisis seemingly had ended. In brief, Soviet submarines patrolling around Cuba were equipped with nuclear-armed torpedoes, unbeknownst to U.S. officials. When American vessels dropped “practice” depth-charges intended to signal the submarines to surface, the submarines’ commanders thought they were under attack. Two of the crews prepared to launch their nuclear-armed torpedoes against American ships, but for different reasons ultimately withheld firing. These crews, when they later returned to Russia after the crisis, were reprimanded for not heroically violating orders and firing. Again, none of this was known by Americans until decades after the crisis."
https://www.politico.eu/article/terrifying-lesson-of-the-cuban-missile-crisis-nuclear-weapons-kennedy/
What is the likelihood that the present leadership in the Kremlin or of the Russian military in the field would accept defeat by NATO forces in Ukraine without resorting to the use of tactical nuclear weapons if such appeared imminent? I'd rate it as "low".
The United States government has consistently opposed an international court that could hold US military and political leaders to a uniform global standard of justice. The Clinton administration participated actively in negotiations towards the International Criminal Court treaty, seeking Security Council screening of cases. If adopted, this would have enabled the US to veto any dockets it opposed. When other countries refused to agree to such an unequal standard of justice, the US campaigned to weaken and undermine the court.
https://rumble.com/v101dzp-4us-media-pushes-war-crime-propaganda-in-ukraine.html
Tell Biden if he is serious about holding war criminals responsible for their war crimes he should sign onto the ICC. You know he will never do that. He supported every war. This is about getting people to hate Putin and Russia with propaganda.
Biden wants WW3. The corporate news media wants WW3. Isn't it obvious? The USA opposes an international criminal court.
@metal-brain saidWW3 would be bad for business . Never gonna happen .
The United States government has consistently opposed an international court that could hold US military and political leaders to a uniform global standard of justice. The Clinton administration participated actively in negotiations towards the International Criminal Court treaty, seeking Security Council screening of cases. If adopted, this would have enabled the US to v ...[text shortened]... e corporate news media wants WW3. Isn't it obvious? The USA opposes an international criminal court.
@Metal-Brain
EVERYBODY commits war crimes. So YOU are part, a tiny insignificant part but a part nonetheless, so what is YOUR particular war crime COMRADE?
Did you maybe shoot innocent babies yourself in Ukraine?
No, I expect a coward like you would just bitch and moan from the sidelines trying your best to destroy even the CONCEPT of democracy but till you have lived without it you would never know the ADVENT of democracy in a foreign country like I did.
I saw the rise of an actual democracy in a country I worked in for years so don't tell ME about how GREAT it would be to lose it COMRADE.
Tell me about your pathetic imitation of a life, where did you get the idea that Russia was for instance, CIVILIZED? When they can't even say the WORD war without going to prison for 15 years meanwhile sending missiles by the HUNDREDS to destroy civilian targets like that latest attack on a train station killing hundreds of women, children and elderly.
Yep you are TRULY civilized.
Like a two faced SNAKE COMRADE.
@caissad4 saidThen why is Biden and the corp. news media pushing the war crimes double standard then? Do they think the American people will oppose sending weapons to Ukraine if they don't demonize Russia as much as possible?
WW3 would be bad for business . Never gonna happen .
What do the polls say? Is support for sending weapons to Ukraine less than 50%?
@Metal-Brain
And of COURSE totally ignoring the FACT JACK that TRUMP held up a half BILLION in military aid, I have a request though, just give me the APPEARANCE of dirt on the Bidens if you actually want that aid.
Yeah, REAL friend in Trump.
@no1marauder saidWe strike Russian positions with tactical nuclear weapons and drive them out of Ukraine and the Black Sea including Crimea.
If you got your way, a highly likely result would not be a massive Russian strategic strike but the use of a limited number of tactical nuclear weapons to annihilate the NATO divisions that you think would easily ride roughshod over the Russian troops in the Ukraine.
What would your advice be after that occurred?
What would your advice be, to let Putin strike Ukraines civilian population centres forever plus take Odessa shutting Ukraine off from the sea.
@no1marauder saidYeah we should just let Putin do what he wants in Eastern Europe not going to be an issue for you and trump is it.
Kev and others would be well advised to reflect on these three paragraphs in the article you cite:
"If Kennedy had assented to his generals’ constant pressure to invade Cuba, the higher-than-known Soviet troop numbers likely would have made the landing and ground war much more difficult to win. This, in turn, would have created even greater pressure on Kennedy to escal ...[text shortened]... ut resorting to the use of tactical nuclear weapons if such appeared imminent? I'd rate it as "low".
Clearly Europe needs to massively rearm in terms of our conventional and nuclear arsenals, we cannot rely on the United States shaky relationship with democracy and fundamental liberal issues like a woman’s right to choose or a persons right to vote in a democracy or even be trans or gay.
I get you do not want to get involved with a war between authoritarian regimes and liberal democracies in Europe and Trump was right in that we should be able to defend ourselves given our economic and industrial power.
Most of all Germany needs to militarise itself really quickly without becoming a martial society, not an easy trick but doable.
@kevcvs57 saidWhat would you rate the chances of all-out nuclear war IF we followed your insane policy prescriptions?
We strike Russian positions with tactical nuclear weapons and drive them out of Ukraine and the Black Sea including Crimea.
What would your advice be, to let Putin strike Ukraines civilian population centres forever plus take Odessa shutting Ukraine off from the sea.
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@kevcvs57 saidYou should be able to defend yourselves; unfortunately the last few thousand years (at least) of Euro history show that your aggressive tendencies rarely have anything to do with "defending yourselves".
Yeah we should just let Putin do what he wants in Eastern Europe not going to be an issue for you and trump is it.
Clearly Europe needs to massively rearm in terms of our conventional and nuclear arsenals, we cannot rely on the United States shaky relationship with democracy and fundamental liberal issues like a woman’s right to choose or a persons right to vote in a democr ...[text shortened]... o militarise itself really quickly without becoming a martial society, not an easy trick but doable.
Then if you want to get into a nuclear war, rather than reach an agreement which would address the security concerns of all nations (even "authoritarian" ones) that would be your problem.
EDIT: An armed to the teeth Germany, huh? What could possibly go wrong?