@earl-of-trumps saidSimple problems?
@no1marauder - I'm really still trying to figure out why anyone would be opposed to crime victims being compensated for their damages.
It trains people to be dependent on government safety nets, as opposed to being self-reliant and prepared to deal with simple problems.
Like being beaten into an icu ward and not being able to work for months.
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@kevcvs57 saidCant wait for marauders next take on who is responsible for whom.
Simple problems?
Like being beaten into an icu ward and not being able to work for months.
@no1marauder saidI almost missed this one...
Victims of crimes should be made whole if possible or what is society for?
What is meant by 'made whole', and, what is your definition of 'society'? In deference to you, I googled the def of society and can't seem to find a definitive answer. One said, for instance, people living together. A bit general, dont you think? Am I living together with the guy who murdered and dismembered his wife?
@earl-of-trumps saidThe laws are supposed to be adequate to protect the People from force and fraud. Your cramped ideas would leave some worse off simply because they were victimized. That is inconsistent with any idea of justice.
Of course. That's why we have laws.
let's not mix apples and oranges.
@averagejoe1 saidOur nature is that of a social animal which bands into groups for mutual aid and protection. Here's some wise words to save you some googling:
I almost missed this one...
What is meant by 'made whole', and, what is your definition of 'society'? In deference to you, I googled the def of society and can't seem to find a definitive answer. One said, for instance, people living together. A bit general, dont you think? Am I living together with the guy who murdered and dismembered his wife?
"Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government. It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. It existed prior to government, and would exist if the formality of government was abolished. The mutual dependence and reciprocal interest which man has upon man, and all the parts of civilised community upon each other, create that great chain of connection which holds it together. The landholder, the farmer, the manufacturer, the merchant, the tradesman, and every occupation, prospers by the aid which each receives from the other, and from the whole. Common interest regulates their concerns, and forms their law; and the laws which common usage ordains, have a greater influence than the laws of government. In fine, society performs for itself almost everything which is ascribed to government.
To understand the nature and quantity of government proper for man, it is necessary to attend to his character. As Nature created him for social life, she fitted him for the station she intended. In all cases she made his natural wants greater than his individual powers. No one man is capable, without the aid of society, of supplying his own wants, and those wants, acting upon every individual, impel the whole of them into society, as naturally as gravitation acts to a centre.
But she has gone further. She has not only forced man into society by a diversity of wants which the reciprocal aid of each other can supply, but she has implanted in him a system of social affections, which, though not necessary to his existence, are essential to his happiness. There is no period in life when this love for society ceases to act. It begins and ends with our being."
Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man. https://www.ushistory.org/Paine/rights/c2-01.htm
@kevcvs57 saidAnother Absolute Brain Sturgeon!!!!!
Simple problems?
Like being beaten into an icu ward and not being able to work for months.
Man, you dEmOCrATs are just full of Einsteins today
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@no1marauder saidI read this 3 times, trying to ferret out its application to a situation where the government referred to would/should , by said Nature, totally cover someone who is relieved of his property. I'm just not seeing it. I do agree with the entire passage , certainly, as it is Thomas Paine.
Our nature is that of a social animal which bands into groups for mutual aid and protection. Here's some wise words to save you some googling:
"Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government. It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. It existed prior to government, and would exist if the for ...[text shortened]... being."
Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man. https://www.ushistory.org/Paine/rights/c2-01.htm
Clearly, all people have diff talents, and beginning with barter, shared their wares and knowledge. Worked like a dream. Since people are now what they were then, it can still work, by using money. Everyone was, and can be, friendly (society) and live independently (rather than dependently) interacting with each other. I am all about Paine.
But the issue at hand is not touched upon by Paine, and the founders of our nation apparently didn't give a thought to everyone throwing money together everytime a victim needed stuff replaced. Do you truly think they thought of, or would agree with, such a thing? (I am not speaking of charity. If my neighbor's barn burns down, I and other neighbors will show up on Sunday and build him a new one)
Of course, I certainly agree with Society and all which it entails,... I need a guy to build my car, and he needs me to shoe his horses. I can't build a car,, and he gladly pays me money to shoe horses.. Paine is dead on! But isn't that all he is saying? Society, with a government, is necessary, and it is great. We agree....but that is not the issue, which is the evolvement of reparations in Seattle.
@AverageJoe1
This might be a bit off-subject (Paine's treatise is, as well)....but consider something for me. if all the Government Support, i'll call it, gets to be more and more, do you realize that the 'promised' free stuff will eventually outweigh the stuff itself? Maybe in a few years it will be 40% free stuff, and then the next year go to 51%! Maybe faster, since the dependents will pile up into larger numbers when Kamala gets the border opened up. Seriously, do socialists, even the well-meaning ones, ever think of that?
@no1marauder saidYes. When a society is set up, even the silverback gorillas, they aid and protect each other. Our society does that, with government oversight, military, freedom to buy other protection, like health insurance, and laws, protecting good folks from the bad. The govt also has programs to 'aid' those in true need.
A simple question:
What is the purpose of human society? Is it mutual aid and protection?
