@vivify saidOK, let us stipulate for the sake of argument. There is a a bit of socialism in the USA. We could list them. The socialists on this thread say there should be more. Foreigners (Zahlanzi) welcome to weigh in, no sarcasm or anger please.
Communism is a form if socialism. No one is trying to bring communism to the U.S., just some socialist ideas. Medicaid and social security are socialist ideas we already have in the U.S.
Furthermore, Cuba isn't really communist. In communism, production is controlled by the people as a whole; Cuba is an authoritarian government where that clearly doesn't happen.
How much more? And, would it ever end. Will AOC and Bernie say in a few years ....that's enough? Or will government control growth, which is what it is, strangle what freedom we have left. What happens when a government has a lot power over its people. Like me...the govt will tell me they need more money to have what Marauder calls a 'safety net' for all the people who do not take care of themselves, who are dependents. How much power should the govt have? I think less power than they have right now, but it is going the other way.
@rajk999 saidI went with 18 more people in 2006 on a museum cultural trip to Cuba. We saw so much sadness. An old woman at the steps of our hotel with a hand out. She wanted our SOAP! We saw a clean-looking street, remarked to our cuban guide about it, he said Dont You Understand?!?!? They have nothing to throw away!!! They have seven staples to eat there....but no fish, believe it or not. They wander around, vacant eyes, nothingness all around. Nothingness.
Was about to post this. Communism is dying. Socialism in its purest form is the road to poverty, laziness and failure. Marx [and those of similar philosophies] are idiots who do not understand what it takes to make a successful economy. People who live in those systems understand the pain and suffering, but those who live outside dont. Its like a glass case with cake; the flies outside trying to get in and the flies inside want to get out ...lol 😀
@rajk999 saidInteresting indeed. What WILL happen in the next few weeks? I think these poor citizens are so weak, undernourished, whatever, that they will fail very shortly as their dictator crashes down on them.Maybe a good case for guns? Reminds me of the barricade in Les Miserables, or our pioneers when England tried to put us down.
Internet, families living abroad and tourism educated many of them. Somehow I dont think they will be oppressed more right now. Im hoping this will be the end of that communist regime and change is coming.
@vivify saidChina? Are you really going to argue that China is communist / socialist? Maybe 40 years ago. China has a communist party in name only, which now encourages a capitalist market economy to operate. It is this capitalist market economy that makes the money and has transformed China to one of the worlds largest economies.
Then why is China the second largest economy in the world? And why China the most rapidly growing economy in world?
They have oppressed the poor and stolen resources from the country. These leaders should all be executed.
Funny, that's just like the U.S. See the Native Americans who had their resources stolen. See Slavery, which first built the wealth of the ...[text shortened]... he rich.
Maybe you're right about executing them. Compile a list of conservatives you want axed.
I have no interest in the US and the natives neither slavery. If American black slaves built American wealth then why they not do it back in Africa.
@averagejoe1 saidFirst of all, socialism only recently became popular in the U.S. with the rise of Bernie Sanders. His bid for the presidency failed twice. The U.S. is not realistically on it's way of becoming a socialist state.
OK, let us stipulate for the sake of argument. There is a a bit of socialism in the USA. We could list them. The socialists on this thread say there should be more. Foreigners (Zahlanzi) welcome to weigh in, no sarcasm or anger please.
How much more? And, would it ever end. Will AOC and Bernie say in a few years ....that's enough? Or will government control growt ...[text shortened]... r should the govt have? I think less power than they have right now, but it is going the other way.
Secondly, Bernie mostly called for only two ideas: universal healthcare and a basic minimum wage. That's it. So even if Bernie's ideas caught fire enough to win him the presidency, those are the only two socialist ideas that Sanders really campaigned on.
So as for "how much socialism"? A whopping 2 ideas.
The issue is that the conservative media you consume grossly exaggerate the extent of socialist movements in the U.S. because they are puppets of big business, who are freaked out by ideas like universal healthcare, which insurance companies don't want.
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@rajk999 said"Who cares. These are countries that profess to practice communism."---Rajk.
China? Are you really going to argue that China is communist / socialist?
So when I point out that nations like Cuba aren't truly communist, you say it doesn't matter because they claim to be communist; then when I point out the success of China, you say it's not really communist.
GFY.
@vivify saidYou are saying that Bernie, if he were president today, would have universal health care and minimum wage raised. You then imply that 'that would be it', we can all live free lives after that, no government intervention into our lives, no taking of any more or our money to support needless programs.
First of all, socialism only recently became popular in the U.S. with the rise of Bernie Sanders. His bid for the presidency failed twice. The U.S. is not realistically on it's way of becoming a socialist state.
Secondly, Bernie mostly called for only two ideas: universal healthcare and a basic minimum wage. That's it. So even if Bernie's ideas caught fire enough to win ...[text shortened]... iness, who are freaked out by ideas like universal healthcare, which insurance companies don't want.
We are supposed to believe that.
@vivify saidChina is practicing capitalism. That is why they are successful. They are smart enough to have realised some decades ago that communism is a failure. They are smarter than you for sure.
"Who cares. These are countries that profess to practice communism."---Rajk.
So when I point out that these nations aren't truly communist, you say it doesn't matter because they claim to be communist; then when I point out the success of China, you say it's not really communist.
GFY.
@rajk999 saidThankyou rajk999, I am sure the liberal members here will finally see the beauty of capitalism and the nastiness of everything else. A great observation. What is so hard about accepting phrases like Live Free, Embrace Liberty. One cannot enjoy those tenets with the meddling and control of stifling governments.
China is practicing capitalism. That is why they are successful. They are smart enough to have realised some decades ago that communism is a failure. They are smarter than you for sure.
@rajk999 saidChina never practiced communism; the people never owned the means of production, the government did.
China is practicing capitalism. That is why they are successful. They are smart enough to have realised some decades ago that communism is a failure. They are smarter than you for sure.
There has never been a truly communist nation.
@vivify saidDo you like that Govt owned the means of production . Just curious. Did they make quality stuff? You know how we conservatives like really good stuff, and choices.
China never practiced communism; the people never owned the means of production, the government did.
There has never been a truly communist nation.
@averagejoe1 saidConservatives are freaking out based on only two campaign promises from one person who twice failed to win the presidency. This is idiocy plain and simple.
You are saying that Bernie, if he were president today, would have universal health care and minimum wage raised. You then imply that 'that would be it', we can all live free lives after that, no government intervention into our lives, no taking of any more or our money to support needless programs.
We are supposed to believe that.
And it wasn't even Republicans who defeated Bernie, it was Democrats; Dems united to defeat Bernie in the primaries, claiming he was "too radical". So even if Bernie won the presidency, he still wouldn't have the support of Democrats to do much in the way of socialism.
Republicans are freaking out both over nothing and over fear of losing power over the poor they exploit for their own gain.
@mott-the-hoople saidEven Rajk agrees that China isn't communist. Cuba violates core principles of communism already discussed in this thread.
I mean your stance that cuba and/or china are not communist. Just stupid.
@vivify saidGet on track. I agree, there is no way that we will ever have universal health care. But this post regards your thoughts on what Bernie, assuming he got his wish for universal health care and a nice living-wage-minimum-wage, would do AFTER that. I am asking if you think he would stop pushing for additional handouts, etc. Do you really think that?
Conservatives are freaking out based on only two campaign promises from one person who twice failed to win the presidency. This is idiocy plain and simple.
And it wasn't even Republicans who defeated Bernie, it was Democrats; Dems united to defeat Bernie in the primaries, claiming he was "too radical". So even if Bernie won the presidency, he still wouldn't have the su ...[text shortened]... g out both over nothing and over fear of losing power over the poor they exploit for their own gain.