Serious discussion on why Cubans are protesting communism?

@averagejoe1 said
additional handouts

By calling policies that take care of citizens like universal healthcare "handouts" (a pejorative term), you've proven my earlier point about Republicans oppressing the poor.

Rajk said people like you should be "executed".

@vivify said
Even Rajk agrees that China isn't communist. Cuba violates core principles of communism already discussed in this thread.

you are both wrong...

study this...
https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03/5-myths-about-the-chinese-communist-party/

@rajk999 said
Who cares. These are countries that profess to practice communism. They are all failures. They have oppressed the poor and stolen resources from the country. These leaders should all be executed.

Sounds a lot like the countries that profess to be democratic

@vivify said
By calling policies that take care of citizens like universal healthcare "handouts" (a pejorative term), you've proven my earlier point about Republicans oppressing the poor.

Rajk said people like you should be "executed".

You should stop parading your stupidity so openly. Try to be discrete and hide it a bit.

@mott-the-hoople said
you are both wrong...

study this...
https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03/5-myths-about-the-chinese-communist-party/

This link says exactly what Im saying.
China started off as a communist economy back in the early 1900s
They were a poor country.
A few decades ago they allowed free enterprise to develop.
The govt maintained a certain level of control over the population.
It is because of these capitalist principles which they put into practice that caused their success in the world economy.

@rajk999 said
This link says exactly what Im saying.
China started off as a communist economy back in the early 1900s
They were a poor country.
A few decades ago they allowed free enterprise to develop.
The govt maintained a certain level of control over the population.
It is because of these capitalist principles which they put into practice that caused their success in the world economy.

China isn't "capitalist" in a classical sense:

"China now has more companies on the Fortune Global 500 list than does the United States (124 versus 121), with nearly 75 percent of these being state-owned enterprises (SOEs). Three of the world’s five largest companies are Chinese (Sinopec Group, State Grid, and China National Petroleum). China’s largest SOEs hold dominant market positions in many of the most critical and strategic industries, from energy to shipping to rare earths. According to Freeman Chair calculations, the combined assets for China’s 96 largest SOEs total more than $63 trillion, an amount equivalent to nearly 80 percent of global GDP. The size and scale of these entities is partly a function of China’s massive domestic market, but more important is the fact that SOEs operating in strategic sectors (e.g., banking, infrastructure, telecommunications, energy) are shielded from domestic and foreign competition and are immune from any antitrust scrutiny by the Chinese government.

While SOEs are not unique to China, the level of political control wielded over them is. As Xi Jinping declared in 2016, SOEs should become “stronger, better, and bigger." In 2017, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) amended its constitution to assert that the Party “plays a leadership role” in firm decision making. That same year, Ministry of Industry and Information Technology head Xiao Yaqing, then the head of the central SOE regulator, said: “To give full play of the Party's leadership and its core political role, SOEs should stick to the political principle that all SOEs must be under the Party's leadership.”

The problem is not limited to SOEs nor to the traditional sectors that comprise the “commanding heights” of the global economy. Backed by a thicket of subsidies and industrial policies, a domestic market that restricts foreign competition in strategic sectors, and aided by generous state lending, China’s private firms have been propelled into the global market and now vie with U.S. and European firms for leadership in cutting-edge technologies, including robotics, artificial intelligence, biotechnology, and telecommunications."

https://www.csis.org/analysis/confronting-challenge-chinese-state-capitalism

That's "capitalism"?

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Thanks, the Chinese Revolution began in 1911 and ended with the formation of the PRC in 1949.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/chinese-rev

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China recently celebrated 100 years of the Communist party in China, that originated in 1920. While the Communist party isn't the same as Chinese government, it has remained the dominant party in China's now one-party government.

So it can be argued that China's government has been communist since the early 1900's.

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I deliberately qualified my statement by saying "the Communist party isn't the same as the Chinese government". My point in bringing up China's 100-year celebration of the Communist party was to illustrate China's communist roots stretch back to the early 1900's. This is also why I said "can be argued" and did *not* state this as a matter of fact.

You and I have probably discussed the KMT more than any other single topic; I'm aware the KMT fled after 1948.

One of the most frequent and most enduring complaints about Duchess is her poor reading comprehension. Here it strikes again.

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What is your problem? Why do you get so emotional?

If you disagree with my opinion, fine. Doesn't change the fact that your reading comprehension is sub-par. I made it quite clear that I wasn't offering a statement of fact but it seems you're embarrassed at (yet again) having your poor reading comprehension pointed.

Duchess did the same thing when she accused me of believing an MLK report that he was involved in rape, when it was clearly to literally everyone else that I did the exact opposite and criticized the validity of that claim. Duchess never apologized, she went right on to claiming that I "ignore evidence" of MLK's alleged rape.

Whatever. Duchess continues to hold on to her fragile ego rather than admit her errors.