@AverageJoe1 saidThe same thing goes for you. Mr. Redundant. your a fuk'in broken record. You are all over the place with your dumb ass analogies.
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@wildgrass saidWhat ever makes you feel better pookie.
You don't ask good questions. Even to yourself.
@wildgrass saidYou left out that fear a word, suppression. Aren’t you all using that a lot?
This is why your concern gets compared to concern for the presence of Bigfoot. You don't know if it exists. You want to fix a problem without evidence that it is a problem. You want to spend millions of dollars fixing the problem anyway. You want to inconvenience all voters, and disenfranchise some, to fix a problem that you don't know exists or not.
Here's the evidence ...[text shortened]... o you think there's more of those that didn't get caught? What part of this bill fixes that problem?
It goes along with inconveniencing and disenfranchising. We purely laugh at you people battering with this narrative until you are blue in the face.
My wife goes to the grocery store 26 times a year. She is definitely inconvenienced and at the moment,for an hour and a half, is disenfranchised.
The times that a citizen has to go to get proof of citizenship,maybe one time or two times in their lifetime, does not compare. Y’all get over it go get registered and vote for the candidate of your choice as a citizen. Hopefully you will not be behind a smelly Muslim who has a game on..
@AverageJoe1 saidRegistration. Good idea. What about when you register, and then show up and the goobermint says that your name was taken off the registry? Or you get a letter in the mail saying you need to show up in court to prove that you're a real person, but it's on a workday at 11 am? Or your ID expired? Or if you show up to vote with a birth certificate for ID and the goobermint says there's no birthright citizenship anymore, so piss off?
You left out that fear a word, suppression. Aren’t you all using that a lot?
It goes along with inconveniencing and disenfranchising. We purely laugh at you people battering with this narrative until you are blue in the face.
My wife goes to the grocery store 26 times a year. She is definitely inconvenienced and at the moment,for an hour and a half, is disenfra ...[text shortened]... te of your choice as a citizen. Hopefully you will not be behind a smelly Muslim who has a game on..
These are examples of disenfranchisement. The goobermint wants to put up roadblocks for people to vote, none of these things proposed are going to reduce the amount of voter fraud. You can't even argue that.
@wildgrass said5,803 people were charged for drinking and driving in Miami-Dade in 2025.
You start your post with the 20 million number, when the documented cases of voter fraud averages out to less than 100 per state, over a 12 year time frame. Its rather absurd to suggest that 19.999 million people are getting away with voting illegally. Most illegal aliens want to be as far away from anything government as they can get.
It's been a long thread and no one ...[text shortened]... re?
In both cases, I don't think they are.
Proof of citizenship is a lot more than just an ID.
I guess the police caught all the drunk drivers.
@Rajk999 saidOh boy, what a great post and analogy! Catch all the drunk drivers should be the goal then? How?
5,803 people were charged for drinking and driving in Miami-Dade in 2025.
I guess the police caught all the drunk drivers.
I completely disagree. That's not the goal. A policeman's primary goal is public order, safety, and security. Resource limitations are real, and it is absurd to think we can or should catch 'em all. This would require enormous investment and the impingement of people's freedom of movement with diminishing returns on improvements to public safety. This relates to voter fraud, because according to y'all with no evidence or anything claiming proof of citizenship will help. We could propose to use retinal scanners and micro-chip all US voters, that'll satisfy the crowd, right? Or won't that be good enough either? Back in reality, the decisions to focus on specific areas of law enforcement are made based on evidence.
If there's EVIDENCE that increased enforcement of DUIs would make people safer, then maybe allocating more resources is justified, at risk of underfunding other areas of law enforcement. If there's EVIDENCE that increased documentation of voting citizenship status would lead to less fraud, then you'd have an argument. But I've asked dozens of times throughout this thread and no one can point me towards a logical rationale supporting your assertion that you think 20 million people voted illegally.
Also in your analogy, since every voter has to register, then sign their ballot, we basically are already asking way more of voters than we are of people being sober on the road. It'd be like if we had a system where everyone took a breathalyzer test just to get in their car and THEN you said we needed even more enforcement of drinking and driving.
@AverageJoe1 saidBecause people like you are always told what to think by others.
Statements like this are meaningless on the Forum.
Like, if we converse with the so-unique parlance of Suzianne, if I follow you suzianne, you might apply that bland sentence as follows:
" Just because (a particular woman) would get an abortion, it doesn't mean (every woman) would."
Since this and your post above are givens, why say it?
That's not even the weird part. The weird part is, you think this is normal.
@wildgrass saidWhat a load of bull.
Oh boy, what a great post and analogy! Catch all the drunk drivers should be the goal then? How?
I completely disagree. That's not the goal. A policeman's primary goal is public order, safety, and security. Resource limitations are real, and it is absurd to think we can or should catch 'em all. This would require enormous investment and the impingement of people's freedo ...[text shortened]... just to get in their car and THEN you said we needed even more enforcement of drinking and driving.
@mike69 saidYoud be shocked if you bothered to check in with a county clerk or someone who actually works polls and ask questions about how elections are run.
What ever makes you feel better pookie.
Getting your info from Trump's rambling tweets is why these debates are impossible. You don't need facts anymore.
@wildgrass saidOpinions and guesses, you know nothing of me, you can do better like answering questions.
Youd be shocked if you bothered to check in with a county clerk or someone who actually works polls and ask questions about how elections are run.
Getting your info from Trump's rambling tweets is why these debates are impossible. You don't need facts anymore.