@mike69 saidYour argument throughout this whole thread is "Americans overwhelming want shoring up elections" as the reason why we should make radical changes to our election laws.
I can actually look and think for myself. Your news feeds the sheep, another good try.
And now you want to argue you're a free thinker who isn't a sheep? Free thinking is literally the opposite of your whole argument.
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@no1marauder saidAn Epstein visa appears to be sufficient.
If right wingers succeed in doing away with birthright citizenship, how will anyone ever prove they are a citizen?
@wildgrass saidSuzianne suggestion is to do away with Elec College and have, simply put, majority rule. Do you agree with that??
Your argument throughout this whole thread is "Americans overwhelming want shoring up elections" as the reason why we should make radical changes to our election laws.
And now you want to argue you're a free thinker who isn't a sheep? Free thinking is literally the opposite of your whole argument.
@AverageJoe1 saidI think that would be simpler, but no I'm not for ending electoral college. It only really becomes an issue in really close elections anyway, and Republicans are about to lose in landslides for the next decade.
Suzianne suggestion is to do away with Elec College and have, simply put, majority rule. Do you agree with that??
@mike69 saidNo, it is the truth, you ARE stupid to be sucked into Trumpworld, and you have to know he could care less about you are anyone else in the US, he has one person in his life, Donald J Trump and nobody else. That and how many billions can I steal before I leave office if I ever DO leave office that is.
That’s a brilliant answer to the question. You’re also the party supporting criminals and terrorist but nice try😂😂😂
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@sonhouse saidAll of you can keep changing the subject and hoping a crack opens up for you to attack. I laid out my positions, debated weak points, and still actually waiting for an answer. Of course this would be a real one, without adding words, half truths, or dumb insults that don’t do anything. The three blind mice, oops it’s six.
No, it is the truth, you ARE stupid to be sucked into Trumpworld, and you have to know he could care less about you are anyone else in the US, he has one person in his life, Donald J Trump and nobody else. That and how many billions can I steal before I leave office if I ever DO leave office that is.
@mike69 saidExactly where did you get that 80% of American WANT this voter law crap.
That’s not the point, and all of you are missing the next move. The problem is that it’s easy to get around this law for those that want to vote and not be a citizen, or parties that won’t win without allowing or encouraging this. This is why 80 plus percent of Americans want this shored up.
The POINT is Repubs ONLY win when they cheat. So take Texas for example, Trump ORDERED the dudes in Texas to redistrict when it is usually every TEN YEARS but here in the MIDDLE of that time, TRUMP says I want to FK OVER as many democrat votes as possible, I want republicans to ALWAYS win.
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@sonhouse saidStart a thread.
Exactly where did you get that 80% of American WANT this voter law crap.
The POINT is Repubs ONLY win when they cheat. So take Texas for example, Trump ORDERED the dudes in Texas to redistrict when it is usually every TEN YEARS but here in the MIDDLE of that time, TRUMP says I want to FK OVER as many democrat votes as possible, I want republicans to ALWAYS win.
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The quoted passages that follow are from https://www.vote.org/save-act/
The reality of the situation:
Is noncitizen voting actually a problem?
The data says not at the scale this bill implies.
Utah recently completed one of the most comprehensive citizenship reviews ever conducted at the state level, examining more than 2 million registered voters. They found one confirmed instance of noncitizen registration and zero instances of noncitizen voting. Federal data from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services shows that just 0.04% of voter verification cases flag as potential noncitizens, and even within that small group, many had already provided proof of citizenship when they registered.
The SAVE act's solution to the "problem":
How would registering to vote change under the SAVE Act?
Every American, including people who have been registered for decades, would need to appear in person at an election office with qualifying documents. Online voter registration, which 42 states currently rely on, would be upended or eliminated. Mail registration would end entirely. Voter registration drives would become functionally ineffective, since they depend on reaching people at events and public spaces where no one carries a passport or birth certificate.
What documents would actually qualify?
This surprises most people. A standard driver's license alone does not qualify in most states. A REAL ID alone does not qualify. A military ID alone does not qualify. A tribal ID alone does not qualify. Only five states currently issue enhanced driver's licenses that meet the bill's requirements on their own.
For most Americans, qualifying requires one of the following: a valid U.S. passport or passport card, a certified birth certificate paired with a photo ID, a naturalization certificate, or a Consular Report of Birth Abroad. If your name does not match across those documents, additional paperwork such as a marriage certificate would also be required.
Imagine that: The SAVE act would require more verifications and forms of ID than it takes to enter a US military base.
There's a lot of talk here about how a majority of voters favor more secure elections. The polls I'm finding, however, are in reference to simply requiring some form of ID. Millions of voters think the SAVE act—if they know about it at all—is merely a voter ID law, and have no conception of the Kafkaesque labyrinth of bureaucratic nonsense the act would entail for every single voter, currently registered or not.
And the more voters learn about the SAVE act, the more they oppose it.
We already know what happens when states try this.
Kansas implemented a state-level proof-of-citizenship requirement for voter registration. Before the law, noncitizen voter registration in Kansas was approximately 0.002% of all registered voters. After the law took effect, it blocked roughly 31,000 eligible U.S. citizens, representing 12% of all applicants, from registering. It prevented far more American citizens from registering than noncitizens and was eventually struck down in federal court. Arizona implemented a similar requirement with a comparable outcome.
These are not projections. They are documented results from states that have already run this experiment, and they raise serious questions about what a national version would produce.