Originally posted by WajomaMaybe a society with private health care is more "caring". Certainly a society with private health care delivers lower quality health care at a higher price. I'd say the latter is of greater importance.
The social welfare state is the death of a caring, benevolent society.
There used to be numerous "Friendly Societies" in the UK, these were groups formed usually in the neighbourhood that would get together have working bees and help out those that needed it, not only helping the needy but a great tool for building community. As the state has taken over t ...[text shortened]... e. So don't try to make out it's a big brotherly/sisterly let's all love together fest.
Originally posted by Wajomabecause people, yourself included, will not make the best decisions. i don't know how much you make, but unless you are a millionaire, you will not be covered in case of "s|it happens". and it is a well known fact that insurance companies will do whatever they need to not pay. and if you had a cough when you were a child that you didn't declare, it would be reason to refuse payment. and then you will be left to die or smack your relatives with bills they won't be able to pay in a million years. and they will either be indebted for 5 generations or leave you in the hospital to die.
All those that believe in "free" health care should sign up for it, and just leave all the rest of us alone.
I can see you're a true believer so feel free to be the first to sign on. I want you to be free Zahlanzi, free to make your own choices, why can't you grant me the same consideration?
because paying taxes is not optional and not preferential. and instead of buying a new tank or whatever, i would rather have some janitor live.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraEveryone wants food, and like my food I want to choose when where and what type.
Everyone wants health care. Therefore there is no point in privatised health care if it's a known fact that nationalized health care is cheaper AND more efficient.
So butt the hell out of my life.
If you were answering my "by what qualification" question you have failed.
Originally posted by WajomaThere is only one "health care" (being cured when you're sick), there are millions of types of food. Your analogy is flawed.
Everyone wants food, and like my food I want to choose when where and what type.
So butt the hell out of my life.
If you were answering my "by what qualification" question you have failed.
The qualification is your lack of reason. Why do you want to pay more for something of lower quality?
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraMy analogy stands because the same argument can be made for food as for "die while you wait free health care" i.e. fuel for the body when it's lacking.
There is only one "health care" (being cured when you're sick), there are millions of types of food. Your analogy is flawed.
The qualification is your lack of reason. Why do you want to pay more for something of lower quality?
I'll decide how I spend the money I earn and if it means paying more for something or other...
...that is my business.
Originally posted by WajomaWell it's fine if you're irrational, but why do you want society to suffer from the same irrationality?
My analogy stands because the same argument can be made for food as for "die while you wait free health care" i.e. fuel for the body when it's lacking.
I'll decide how I spend the money I earn and if it means paying more for something or other...
...that is my business.
Originally posted by Wajoma"The social welfare state is the death of a caring, benevolent society."
The social welfare state is the death of a caring, benevolent society.
There used to be numerous "Friendly Societies" in the UK, these were groups formed usually in the neighbourhood that would get together have working bees and help out those that needed it, not only helping the needy but a great tool for building community. As the state has taken over t ...[text shortened]... e. So don't try to make out it's a big brotherly/sisterly let's all love together fest.
it is the sign of a benevolent society for a doctor to say, with a smile on his face, "your insurance doesn't cover this procedure that will save your life. we could try voodoo and see if that helps". it is a sign of civilization to leave a citizen of that civilization to die if he doesn't have the money.
yes, you must pay for sport injuries even if you don't play sports. because the athlete will have to pay for your asthma even if he doesn't work in constructions. it is called a society this little thing we live in. in a society we understand that the construction workers do not have the money to pay for their medical bills. but the society needs construction workers to be happy, to have faith that if they break their leg or get asthma or whatever they will be taken care of, and not become a burden to their families in addition to them not being able to earn anymore. otherwise, buildings might not get built.
get it now?
Originally posted by Wajomanot always. you live in a society. and the society can make you pay
My analogy stands because the same argument can be made for food as for "die while you wait free health care" i.e. fuel for the body when it's lacking.
I'll decide how I spend the money I earn and if it means paying more for something or other...
...that is my business.
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Originally posted by bill718Although I most certainly agree Gov. Officials should all pay for health care like all other Americans, but they don't and why don't they give in and pay. Well because they are all driven with greeeeed. So we should give them more money and let the greedy gov. take care of it as they have taken care of everything else.
It's amusing to watch Conservative American lawmakers warn about the "evils" of socialized medicine. There are two really big problems with there arguments however: 1. For many decades Conservatives have insisted compitition between companies would bring health care costs down, yet after all this time America still has the highest health care costs in the in nk taxpayer supported healthcare is so evil...why don't they refuse it for themselves??? 😏
No thank you, I have seen how well the government does, and I don't trust them with my health care Republicans or Democrats. Especially with they lazy and greedy earmarks they put in every bill. What is the latest one now, oh yeah government pay and it has something like 7 or 8 thousand earmarks.
http://americaswatchtower.com/2009/02/26/democrats-pass-400-million-spending-bill-with-8000-earmarks/
These are 2006 numbers.
Did you know?
58 million: Number of individuals enrolled in Medicaid
47 million: Number of uninsured Americans (which when these people get hurt and/or sick they go to the public hostpital and do not pay the bill. Guess who picks up that tab).
$314.6 billion: Amount spent in 2006 on Medicaid
18%: Percentage of U.S. gross domestic product spent on Medicaid in 2006
Individuals covered by Medicaid include the following:
more than 60 percent of poor or near-poor individuals (2006 poverty level for a single individual was less than $10,400 of annual income)
26 percent of all children, including 50 percent of low-income children (low income defined as household income that does not exceed 80 percent of the area median income)
37 percent of pregnant women and their subsequent births
20 percent of people with severe disabilities
44 percent of people living with HIV/AIDS
60 percent of nursing home residents
Originally posted by Wajomafor one you behave like an idiot on the RHP forums. so i know for sure YOU cannot be trusted to tie your own shoelaces.
What are your superior qualifications by which you feel yourself justified to make such a claim on my life?
in general, society does what is best for society. if society chooses to force its members to pay for tanks and guns because of a theoretical threat , it is much more logical to force its members to pay for the health care of them and their fellow citizens.
there was a time where the humans were attacked by predators. the weakest members were caught and eaten until there was a time when the strong decided to stop running, come back and throw rocks at the predators, saving the weak. and then there was a time when the weakest member saved previously threw the stone that killed the predator about to eat the strong member. and they saw that society and mutual help was a pretty good idea.
you foolishly claim you can take care of yourself. that your refuse to help a person in need(fuk him) and that in turn you don't need any help. you claim that you make enough money to pay for health care when you need but you forget that you have a job and money thanx to society in the first place. all it takes is some bastards stealing some money at a delicate time, your company crumbles and fires you and there goes your money and health insurance and as murphy says, you go ill. of course you will gladly stick to your convictions(every fuker for himself) but the thousands of dollars that go to your medical bills are taken away from your children college fund, or worse. and your children get to watch you slowly die in hospital just because of an idiotic philosophy that doesn't help anyone really, just saves the fortunate from having to pay 50$ more on their taxes.
thumbs up wajoma world
Originally posted by torch71That 18% seemed preposterous to me and indeed it is wrong; in 2007 16% of federal spending was Medicare.
Although I most certainly agree Gov. Officials should all pay for health care like all other Americans, but they don't and why don't they give in and pay. Well because they are all driven with greeeeed. So we should give them more money and let the greedy gov. take care of it as they have taken care of everything else.
No thank you, I have seen how well ...[text shortened]... sabilities
44 percent of people living with HIV/AIDS
60 percent of nursing home residents