Originally posted by ZahlanziStill waiting to view your qualifications.
for one you behave like an idiot on the RHP forums. so i know for sure YOU cannot be trusted to tie your own shoelaces.
in general, society does what is best for society. if society chooses to force its members to pay for tanks and guns because of a theoretical threat , it is much more logical to force its members to pay for the health care of them an ...[text shortened]... st saves the fortunate from having to pay 50$ more on their taxes.
thumbs up wajoma world
Originally posted by torch71sure, it is much more sensible to let the insurance companies take care of health.
Although I most certainly agree Gov. Officials should all pay for health care like all other Americans, but they don't and why don't they give in and pay. Well because they are all driven with greeeeed. So we should give them more money and let the greedy gov. take care of it as they have taken care of everything else.
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44 percent of people living with HIV/AIDS
60 percent of nursing home residents
this should be a no-brainer. who in their right mind will allow someone who benefits from their deaths to save them. one would argue that the health insurance companies would save you so you could pay more money. but what if the medical bill far surpasses anything you have payed or could pay in 3 lifetimes? the insurance companies will go to any length to delay or suspend payment altogether. at least the greedy dems and reps don't benefit directly from your death. they might skim off the top but some will get caught and either way some money will go to the people that need
Originally posted by ZahlanziSounds a lot like New Zealands die while you wait health system.
this should be a no-brainer. who in their right mind will allow someone who benefits from their deaths to save them. one would argue that the health insurance companies would save you so you could pay more money. but what if the medical bill far surpasses anything you have payed or could pay in 3 lifetimes? the insurance companies will go to any length to ...[text shortened]... off the top but some will get caught and either way some money will go to the people that need
Who would benefit form the foggies kicking the bucket before they get that operation?
The guvamint and your 'society'.
Originally posted by ZahlanziThere is not much difference between the two(insurance and Gov.) if you ask me. Something I did hear of in the last week was a Doctors group providing coverage strait with no insurance involved for a monthly premium which if I heard correctly was about 120 dollars a month, but they are being thwarted by government. I am trying to find more info on this, It was on a show called the Glenn Beck show Monday.
sure, it is much more sensible to let the insurance companies take care of health.
this should be a no-brainer. who in their right mind will allow someone who benefits from their deaths to save them. one would argue that the health insurance companies would save you so you could pay more money. but what if the medical bill far surpasses anything you have ...[text shortened]... off the top but some will get caught and either way some money will go to the people that need
Originally posted by ZahlanziIf it were a "no brainer" as you claim you would have nooooooo problem getting people to sign up voluntarily.
if the majority votes for me i will make you pay taxes so everyone can get health care. count on it.
that's all the qualification i need.
What have you got against that v word.
Originally posted by PinkFloydactually you don't. the health care people decide if you need a specialist and if your insurance covers it. you could go to any doctor you want but if the insurance doodz decide they won't pay, what are you going to do?
The part I can't stomach about socialized med boils down to a lack of choice. I want to pick my own doctorS (plural) when I have an ailment. I don't care to visit an appointed gatekeeper who will then decide if I need a specialist. I decide who I need to see and when.
Originally posted by PinkFloydActually, in the system I am currently participating in (semi-privatized), I can choose my doctor. In fact, there is no insurance company telling me who I should visit. This whole fairy tale about government telling you what doctor to visit is getting quite tiresome, really.
The part I can't stomach about socialized med boils down to a lack of choice. I want to pick my own doctorS (plural) when I have an ailment. I don't care to visit an appointed gatekeeper who will then decide if I need a specialist. I decide who I need to see and when.
Originally posted by Wajomaposition? are you insane? do you think someone must have shiny diplomas to make you pay taxes? do you need special qualifications to be president? you had bush so i am guessing... no.
Lost for words, thought it would come to this.
Can't defend your position, haha.
one just need to explain to the americans that when you get sick you need to be treated. are you trying to say that a man's right to live is only conditional on his wallet, you sick sadistic evil bastard?
Originally posted by torch71sure it is. it is the difference between a private business and a government business.
There is not much difference between the two(insurance and Gov.) if you ask me. Something I did hear of in the last week was a Doctors group providing coverage strait with no insurance involved for a monthly premium which if I heard correctly was about 120 dollars a month, but they are being thwarted by government. I am trying to find more info on this, It was on a show called the Glenn Beck show Monday.
the former is like any other private enterprise in the business of making a profit. now what do suits do when a sick bastard is trying to cut down their profits? they try and use any means necessary to delay the payments, or suspend them.
the latter is like any other government service. you pay taxes and you get a service. true, you don't get better police because you pay more. you get the same police as everyone else. but at least you get it. and you can pressure the government to give you better police or health care by threatening with your vote. what are you going to threat the private business with? will you hit them with your impressive empty wallet?
i am guessing this is what drives people like wajoma and the doodz that insist on private healthcare. the fact that they are fortunate to have money, and pay for better health. the fact that some have none doesn't concern them because it is the american way, to make your own way in life.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziBelieve it or not, alot do not have health care here because they are to cheap to pay for it. This was my case for many years, although I did not try and take advantage of free health care or go to a public hostpital and make them foot my bill.
sure it is. it is the difference between a private business and a government business.
the former is like any other private enterprise in the business of making a profit. now what do suits do when a sick bastard is trying to cut down their profits? they try and use any means necessary to delay the payments, or suspend them.
the latter is like any ot e have none doesn't concern them because it is the american way, to make your own way in life.
If you are at poverty level then you get medicaid(paid for by the tax payers) and that is ok to some extent.
When you get older you pick up on medicare.
But as long as I work hard and choose to, I want private health care. I now have a PPO plan that allows me to go to what doctor I want change if I don't like that doctor, and I need no referals for any service I may need. Now if I want a HMO, which has cheaper premiums and covers more I have the right (for now) to choose to do that.
Universal healthcare scares me because then they make my choices for me of who and where I will go and see.
I think what this all boils down to in America, is the freedom of choice, and the fact that many of us know someone who is or seen someone who is a freeloader. I.E. someone who takes advantage of the system that Gov. has to offer. I have seen many ebit card users or welfare recipients driving away in thier lexus, bmw, escalades, after getting free food on the taxpayers expense.
Originally posted by torch71There would be nothing to give up in a true democracy, if you take it to vote, but when its determined by a very few, it is wrong.
Believe it or not, alot do not have health care here because they are to cheap to pay for it. This was my case for many years, although I did not try and take advantage of free health care or go to a public hostpital and make them foot my bill.
If you are at poverty level then you get medicaid(paid for by the tax payers) and that is ok to some extent.
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