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I'd wager that all over the globe, where statistics are available, the suicide rate went up during 2020, or COVID times.
We see that in America, suicide hotlines were much busier in 2020 than the year before yet we are to believe
the CDC that the suicide rate went DOWN...? makes no sense to me.
From the three links I placed in here reflecting a large increase in calls to suicide hotlines
at various times of 2020, we can see that if their stats are wrong, all three independent hotlines
would have to have been altered, but if the CDC is wrong, only ONE source need be tampered with,
and their boss is the US Government, who frankly, I would not trust.
No1Marauder wants nothing to do with this.
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@no1marauder saidThankfully, most of the United States never really "locked down" in the sense that they did in Israel and much of Europe.
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different tre ...[text shortened]... -26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
Who wants to be first in line for some delicious crow?
The "lockdowns" that did occur were typically very short-lived and very few (even blue) states repeated their lockdowns in the winter. New York, for example, didn't really lock down in the winter. There were some capacity restrictions in some areas that were taken quasi-seriously at best.
Also, from your article:
Yes, but: The nation's mental health crisis is far from over, and experts are still concerned about the long-term effects isolation and economic turmoil will have on Americans' mental health.
"The general reaction is 'Great, but let’s not do what we did with opioids and see only a small decrease and claim victory," Benjamin Miller, chief strategy officer of Well Being Trust, tells Axios.
Deaths of despair, he added, "are made up [of] not just suicide, but drug overdose deaths and alcohol deaths. Both of the latter two we know we are still on the rise."
The evils of American-style lockdown manifest themselves mainly in damage to small businesses and damage to children who are denied access to normal schooling, not necessarily in suicides.
@sh76 saidBlaming the response to a pandemic for the economic damage done by the pandemic is simplistic, right wing propaganda:
Thankfully, most of the United States never really "locked down" in the sense that they did in Israel and much of Europe.
The "lockdowns" that did occur were typically very short-lived and very few (even blue) states repeated their lockdowns in the winter. New York, for example, didn't really lock down in the winter. There were some capacity restrictions in some areas that w ...[text shortened]... esses and damage to children who are denied access to normal schooling, not necessarily in suicides.
"Fewer than 200,000 businesses in the United States may have failed during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, a lighter toll than initially feared and one that may have had relatively little impact on unemployment, according to
Federal Reserve
research.
The figure contrasts with the early forecasts that the pandemic would leave America's "Main Street" desolate as well as with polls that continue to show large percentages of U.S. small business owners are worried about their survival.
Perhaps 600,000 businesses, most of them small firms, fail in any given year, and U.S. central bank researchers estimated that from March 2020 through February of this year the figure has been perhaps a quarter to a third higher.
That included 100,000 "excess" failures among firms engaged in close-contact services such as barbershops and nail salons, a sector described by the Fed research group as the sector hardest hit by the economic fallout from the pandemic."
"While potentially devastating for the owners and employees of those firms, "relative to popular discussion ... our results may represent an optimistic update to views about pandemic-related business failure," the authors wrote.
Offsetting the hit to those services-oriented businesses, they noted, carry-out restaurants, grocery stores and outdoor recreation companies seemed to suffer fewer failures than usual, with the net result being a smaller-than-anticipated blow to the overall economy.
"Many industries have likely seen lower-than-usual exit rates, and exiting businesses do not appear to represent a large share of U.S. employment," the researchers wrote."
https://www.businessinsider.com/pandemic-destroyed-fewer-us-firms-than-feared-fed-study-shows-2021-4
So Chicken Littleish claims like you continue to make are inaccurate and misplace the cause of the economic damage.
-Removed-The larger point being that the COVID deniers and minimizers here consistently opposed mandatory social distancing and other prudent public health measures during a deadly pandemic by exaggerating the damage they would cause and minimizing the economic effects of the pandemic itself.
Now that we have a year of data to test their claims, they should admit they were wrong, often ludicrously so.
@no1marauder - Now that we have a year of data
Well, we have *something*. Just mot sure what it is quite yet.
@earl-of-trumps saidGo chat with MB; he's our resident conspiracy theorist.
@no1marauder - Now that we have a year of data
Well, we have *something*. Just mot sure what it is quite yet.
@no1marauder saidCDC is your Perfect God right now, for one reason: They gave you the news that you desperately want to hear.
Go chat with MB; he's our resident conspiracy theorist.
I'm objective. I know the ONE source can be manipulated much easier than the three.
And now we see that the Brits had an uptick in suicides in 2020? Well, ya, what else can we expect.
But, I also know that is not proof. It would be interesting to see someone do the investigation.
@earl-of-trumps said3 sources discussing apples are irrelevant to the topic of oranges. Calls to suicide hotlines are not suicides; there are millions of them every year and fewer than 50,000 suicides.
CDC is your Perfect God right now, for one reason: They gave you the news that you desperately want to hear.
I'm objective. I know the ONE source can be manipulated much easier than the three.
And now we see that the Brits had an uptick in suicides in 2020? Well, ya, what else can we expect.
But, I also know that is not proof. It would be interesting to see someone do the investigation.
The CDC has been the source of official stats regarding suicide deaths in the US for decades; you'll pardon me if I don't accept you evidence free claims of cooking the books.
@no1marauder saidAnd you are our resident denialist.
Go chat with MB; he's our resident conspiracy theorist.
mRNA vaccines and viral vector vaccines are gene therapy.
My source is the FDA. Are they conspiracy theorists too?
Do you believe in just wars of choice? Propaganda is not a conspiracy theory. It happens in every country. It is only a question of how much.
Powerful people look out for their own interests. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is common sense. Start using common sense. Your denial of the obvious is ridiculous.
@no1marauder saidIt's not apples and oranges.
3 sources discussing apples are irrelevant to the topic of oranges. Calls to suicide hotlines are not suicides; there are millions of them every year and fewer than 50,000 suicides.
The CDC has been the source of official stats regarding suicide deaths in the US for decades; you'll pardon me if I don't accept you evidence free claims of cooking the books.
I. We are not talking about how many suicides (50,000), occurred, only if there is an uptick in suicides.
We can see that the Brits had an uptick in suicides, and I am sure they had a rise in calls to suicide hotlines.
You don't see evidence to any of it, so you say, which means you would make a pee-poor investigator.
II. The CDC, unlike suicide hotlines, is controlled by the politicians on capitol hill, and they do lie, propagandize.
I can't prove what is going on here in this case, but do not exclude the possibility that the CDC's
preliminary data report is in error. They have proposed something that is totally non sensical here.
Other than that, have a nice day
@Metal-Brain
That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open
for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.
We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician
from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.
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hehehehe. But here we can trust the CDC. Good lord. 🤔
Politics. Power. Jeeeezus.