@joe-shmo saidTalk about goalpost moving ......................
You're acting like its an absurd proposition that economic turmoil should have positive correlation with mental health decline...It seems be an ongoing study. The experts in your own linked studies disagree with you about how suicide is the primary indicator. Lets see, ( as the experts suggest) how "accidental" death from substances abuse faired, and will continue moving ...[text shortened]... . They will be tallied differently, and I think we should see what happed in that category as well.
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@no1marauder saidtalk about squirming............................just admit it...intelligent people dont fall for democrat propaganda
Talk about goalpost moving ......................
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@no1marauder saidDo you find the increase of "accidental" death from substance abuse to be irrelevant to the discussion of lockdown side effects? Because the experts don't.
Talk about goalpost moving ......................
https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2021/01/2020-deadliest-year-drug-history/
@earl-of-trumps saiddemocrats have politicized every facet of our govt. It used to be you could trust agencies such as the cdc. Fauci ruined that with his flip flopping.
Three quick comments:
1) the CDC data is preliminary.
2) I posted a link back in 2020 showing that suicides were up, so it was not so much a prediction.
And lastly, I find the CDC data hard to believe.
@joe-shmo saidIt’s just as well your mass shootings are on the rise again. Gotta keep that US population culled.
The deaths from suicide were in decline pre-pandemic ( for the last three years - during Trumps administration ) as the article points out. How did we do against projection is the real question that they did not care to go into? Saying it declined 5.6% could be quite misleading if we were projected to be at 40 k.
Furthermore, from your own source:
Yes, but ...[text shortened]... remature to be dishing out crow. Crow is a dish best served cold, and this one is still in the oven.
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@no1marauder saidThe year 2019 is before the pandemic.
Like I said, functionally illiterate.
The year 2019 is irrelevant Mr. Illiterate. Do I have to explain it to you like a child?
It is also preliminary data. Remember when you claimed you could not get a full death count from the year 2020? Now all the sudden preliminary data is fit to post?
Alcohol and drug deaths are also often methods of slow suicide. Not everyone has the guts to do it quickly. Your article should not be so dismissive of that fact, nor should you. Nobody is eating any crow from that misleading article.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-2020-suicide-rates-5120964
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@joe-shmo said“ "There is no proof lockdowns save lives, but plenty of evidence they end them"”
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
Seems that the smoke from your pro-lockdown propaganda is finally clearing among the scientific community...
"There is no proof lockdowns save lives, but plenty of evidence they end them"
There is plenty of evidence that lockdowns cut transmission rates and ergo deaths from covid, why go from a reasoned argument about increased substance abuse deaths during lockdown to that ridiculous statement.
If you still believe that lockdowns are irrelevant to death tolls from covid take a look at Brazil, it’s not increased suicide rates that are creating the need for mass burials snd coffin stacking, or take a look at the covid death carnage that has ravaged the US thanks to anti lockdown politicos like yourself.
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@suzianne saidOr, we are not out of this yet.
Or, people are more resilient than the right gives them credit for.
Another example of fostering fear among the populace.
I personally know several people whose mental health has taken a hard knock from the enforced solitary confinement, and nobody who is feeling less depressed and anxious. Meanwhile, my government is still playing the cruel game of fostering hope by promising "possible ease-downs" one week and kicking you in the teeth with "severely worse figures" and "not until half may at least" the next.
This is not over yet. The psychological damage that is being done will last for years.
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@kevcvs57 saidI'm guessing you didn't read the supporting material? I'll link it again.
“ "There is no proof lockdowns save lives, but plenty of evidence they end them"”
There is plenty of evidence that lockdowns cut transmission rates and ergo deaths from covid, why go from a reasoned argument about increased substance abuse deaths during lockdown to that ridiculous statement.
If you still believe that lockdowns are irrelevant to death tolls from covid take ...[text shortened]... at the covid death carnage that has ravaged the US thanks to anti lockdown politicos like yourself.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
@kevcvs57 saidThat is not true. If it was Michigan would not be so bad. We had some of the most strict lockdown measures in the country.
“ "There is no proof lockdowns save lives, but plenty of evidence they end them"”
There is plenty of evidence that lockdowns cut transmission rates and ergo deaths from covid, why go from a reasoned argument about increased substance abuse deaths during lockdown to that ridiculous statement.
If you still believe that lockdowns are irrelevant to death tolls from covid take ...[text shortened]... at the covid death carnage that has ravaged the US thanks to anti lockdown politicos like yourself.
The CDC article no1 posted says depression increased during the lockdowns. For suicides to decrease despite that is very unlikely. The preliminary number is almost certainly wrong.
There is no proof in preliminary numbers. no1 is going to be waiting for crow eating for a long time.
@joe-shmo saidI find it irrelevant to assessing the accuracy of predictions of increased suicides due to lockdowns.
Do you find the increase of "accidental" death from substance abuse to be irrelevant to the discussion of lockdown side effects? Because the experts don't.
https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2021/01/2020-deadliest-year-drug-history/
@earl-of-trumps saidRight wing denial of facts is SOP.
Three quick comments:
1) the CDC data is preliminary.
2) I posted a link back in 2020 showing that suicides were up, so it was not so much a prediction.
And lastly, I find the CDC data hard to believe.
@joe-shmo saidI’m not going to read it anymore than I’d read a link claiming that the moon is made of cheese. Covid kills people without a shadow of a doubt. Unchecked by lockdown measures it kills an awful lot of people.
I'm guessing you didn't read the supporting material? I'll link it again.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns