@kevcvs57 saidbeen to Florida lately?
I’m not going to read it anymore than I’d read a link claiming that the moon is made of cheese. Covid kills people without a shadow of a doubt. Unchecked by lockdown measures it kills an awful lot of people.
Facts prove just the opposite of what you are saying.
@metal-brain saidOh so because of a situation in one city in the US who’s citizens are infamous for ignoring and intentionally flouting lockdown for party political reasons and refusing to wear masks as a sign of right wing allegiance to trump we’ve to surmise that lockdown measures do not work.
That is not true. If it was Michigan would not be so bad. We had some of the most strict lockdown measures in the country.
The CDC article no1 posted says depression increased during the lockdowns. For suicides to decrease despite that is very unlikely. The preliminary number is almost certainly wrong.
There is no proof in preliminary numbers. no1 is going to be waiting for crow eating for a long time.
Oh well yeah let’s just forget about lockdown and skip along the beach in Rio hand in hand whilst remembering to dodge the unburied covid victims.
@mott-the-hoople saidFacts coming out of Florida? Is this actually the Twilight Zone.
been to Florida lately?
Facts prove just the opposite of what you are saying.
Have you been to Brazil lately?
@kevcvs57 saidNone of that is true.
Oh so because of a situation in one city in the US who’s citizens are infamous for ignoring and intentionally flouting lockdown for party political reasons and refusing to wear masks as a sign of right wing allegiance to trump we’ve to surmise that lockdown measures do not work.
Oh well yeah let’s just forget about lockdown and skip along the beach in Rio hand in hand whilst remembering to dodge the unburied covid victims.
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@kevcvs57 saidhttps://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
Oh so because of a situation in one city in the US who’s citizens are infamous for ignoring and intentionally flouting lockdown for party political reasons and refusing to wear masks as a sign of right wing allegiance to trump we’ve to surmise that lockdown measures do not work.
Oh well yeah let’s just forget about lockdown and skip along the beach in Rio hand in hand whilst remembering to dodge the unburied covid victims.
"The lockdowns may also have saved some lives, but there’s still no good evidence. When the 50 states are ranked according to the stringency of their lockdown restrictions, you can see one obvious pattern: the more restrictive the state, the higher the unemployment rate. But there’s no pattern in the rate of Covid-19 mortality. International comparisons yield similar results. One shows that countries with more stringent lockdowns tend to have slightly higher levels of Covid-19 mortality. Another suggests that European countries with stricter lockdowns have performed worse economically while also suffering higher rates of excess mortality.
It’s true, as lockdown proponents argue, that many factors could confound these broad comparisons. Some places are more vulnerable to Covid-19 because of geographic and demographic variables, and so may be more likely to impose lockdowns in response to a surge. But other methods of measuring the effects of lockdowns have also been inconclusive. Some researchers reported early in the pandemic that lockdowns slowed viral spread and reduced mortality, but those conclusions were based on mathematical models with widely varying—and sometimes quite dubious—assumptions about what would have happened without lockdowns.
Meantime, more than two dozen studies have challenged the effectiveness of lockdowns, relying mainly not on mathematical models but on trends in Covid-19 cases and deaths. Studies have repeatedly shown that school closures have little or no impact on viral spread and mortality. By comparing regions and countries, researchers have found that trends in infections were similar regardless of whether there were mandated business closures or stay-at-home-orders."
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@kevcvs57 saidSo... its not on the list of pre-approved reading material from command center?
I’m not going to read it anymore than I’d read a link claiming that the moon is made of cheese. Covid kills people without a shadow of a doubt. Unchecked by lockdown measures it kills an awful lot of people.
This is awkward. It's kind of hard to have a debate if one wont engage in the back and forth process that generally comes with a "debate".
@joe-shmo saidWere emergency rooms locked down? The author of the article seems to think they were:
So... its not on the list of pre-approved reading material from command center?
This is awkward. It's kind of hard to have a debate if one wont engage in the back and forth process that generally comes with a "debate".
"But preliminary reports point to some obvious lockdown-related factors. There was a sharp decline in visits to emergency rooms and an increase in fatal heart attacks due to failure to receive prompt treatment. "
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
Assuming the author is correct that there was a "sharp decline in visits to emergency rooms" this had nothing to do with lockdowns but rather is attributable to the effects of the pandemic itself. The entire article suffers from this basic error.
@metal-brain saidNo your right except all of it is true.
None of that is true.
Remember the Wolverines they were the extreme end of non lockdown compliance in Michigan.
So please don’t hold up Michigan as evidence of lockdown not working when it really epitomises the reality of the rejection of lockdown by a large chunk of the population.
@joe-shmo saidYeah your just giving opinions on the efficacy of some lockdown measures but you can never ever get around the fact that a virus that is transmitted by close contact will be mitigated by reducing close contact.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
"The lockdowns may also have saved some lives, but there’s still no good evidence. When the 50 states are ranked according to the stringency of their lockdown restrictions, you can see one obvious pattern: the more restrictive the state, the higher the unemployment rate. But there’s no pattern in the rate of Covid-19 mortal ...[text shortened]... ns were similar regardless of whether there were mandated business closures or stay-at-home-orders."
It’s simply a self ridiculing stance to take but go ahead keep linking and quoting studies that prove the moon is made of cheese.
@mott-the-hoople saidFlorida had the second highest number of State COVID deaths yesterday and the second highest number of new cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
been to Florida lately?
Facts prove just the opposite of what you are saying.
@no1marauder saidthat is not true...
Florida had the second highest number of State COVID deaths yesterday and the second highest number of new cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://healthdata.gov/Community/COVID-19-State-Profile-Report-Florida/ht94-9tjc
@mott-the-hoople saidOf course it's true and the report you cite dated April 9th hardly refutes yesterday's figures.
that is not true...
https://healthdata.gov/Community/COVID-19-State-Profile-Report-Florida/ht94-9tjc
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@no1marauder saidSo mandating everyone to stay in their homes, stop going to work, don't congregate, etc... had absolutely nothing to do with why people may have avoided hospital...got ya.
Were emergency rooms locked down? The author of the article seems to think they were:
"But preliminary reports point to some obvious lockdown-related factors. There was a sharp decline in visits to emergency rooms and an increase in fatal heart attacks due to failure to receive prompt treatment. "
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
Assuming the auth ...[text shortened]... ttributable to the effects of the pandemic itself. The entire article suffers from this basic error.
For instance when they were just a little bit sick form the deadly cancer that was unknowingly spreading unchecked throughout their body, and they decided that it wasn't worth the trip to an ER...
What are the natural effects of the "pandemic" that you have so brilliantly isolated that no one else in the scientific community can seem to do?
To this day, I have ZERO first hand knowledge deaths of COVID. I do however have two ( EDIT: 3 ) first hand cases of Drug OD, and Suicide during the lockdown. There weren't ever going to be rotting bodies laying on the streets, lawns, etc... that was scaring people into hiding. Media driven propaganda was the major "pandemic". If we hadn't counted EVERY SINGLE death in the MSM ( A Historical First! - How exciting) most of us today wouldn't still have any idea there was a "deadly" contagious disease circulating...
You know how I know this...because almost every person I ask to this day about the 8000 people that died every day ( totaling 3 million people ecah year in the US alone - 60 Million in the world ) pre-pandemic are completely oblivious to the fact.
For Christ sake there are still people on here that will deny it! The general public has absolutely no comprehension the numbers were this large. Sheeple
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I can remember last year an article about the suicide hotlines getting an increased number of calls.
I still think it is counter intuitive to think suicides will decrease during lockdowns and I am suspicious of the data.
It wouldn't surprise me to know the government gave fake data to take away an argument to show why
lockdowns should be eased. Just my opinion. I base it on intuition, of course.