Suicide rate Falls in US

@earl-of-trumps said
I can remember last year an article about the suicide hotlines getting an increased number of calls.
I still think it is counter intuitive to think suicides will decrease during lockdowns and I am suspicious of the data.

It wouldn't surprise me to know the government gave fake data to take away an argument to show why
lockdowns should be eased. Just my opinion. I base it on intuition, of course.

I prefer facts to "intuition".

@joe-shmo said
So mandating everyone to stay in their homes, stop going to work, don't congregate, etc... had absolutely nothing to do with why people may have avoided hospital...got ya.

For instance when they were just a little bit sick form the deadly cancer that was unknowingly spreading unchecked throughout their body, and they decided that it wasn't worth the trip to an ER...

W ...[text shortened]... l deny it! The general public has absolutely no comprehension the numbers were this large. Sheeple

Yeah, I remember someone using "advanced mathematics" who told us there'd be no more than 40,000 COVID deaths in the US. Do you remember who that was?

Of course, when there is a deadly pandemic loose in the community, people are going to alter their behavior to try to avoid getting sick. That will be true regardless of what measures are mandated by the government authorities. Do I really need to get a "scientist" to tell you that?

It seems you've learned absolutely nothing in the last year; you were a COVID denier and minimizer back then and you still are now.

@no1marauder said
Yeah, I remember someone using "advanced mathematics" who told us there'd be no more than 40,000 COVID deaths in the US. Do you remember who that was?

Of course, when there is a deadly pandemic loose in the community, people are going to alter their behavior to try to avoid getting sick. That will be true regardless of what measures are mandated by the government autho ...[text shortened]... ely nothing in the last year; you were a COVID denier and minimizer back then and you still are now.

Do I really need to get a "scientist" to tell you that?

An effect can't be isolated without control groups, Sweden is the closest thing we have...but if we are talking about the pure effect of COVID on the public, we actually have none.

Sure...some of it was people saying, I'm going to change my behavior. However, the vast majority was undoubtedly MSM saying "stay in your homes or everyone is going to die....here is the tally" ( a historical first of a communicable diseases ).

@no1marauder said
Of course it's true and the report you cite dated April 9th hardly refutes yesterday's figures.

the govt link I provided shoes a -23% decline for Florida.


the link you gave gets its info from the official govt website that I posted. The last update for the govt website was 4/13/21. Anything other is projects, not official. Your link states this. https://www.worldometers.info/about/


“ For the COVID-19 data, we collect data from official reports, directly from Government's communication channels or indirectly, through local media sources when deemed reliable. We provide the source of each data update in the "Latest Updates" (News) section. Timely updates are made possible thanks to the participation of users around the world and to the dedication of a team of analysts and researchers who validate data from an ever-growing list of over 5,000 sources. More info

For the live counters on the home page, we elaborate instead a real-time estimate through our proprietary algorithm which processes the latest data and projections provided by the most reputable organizations and statistical offices in the world.”

@joe-shmo said

Do I really need to get a "scientist" to tell you that?

An effect can't be isolated without control groups, Sweden is the closest thing we have...but if we are talking about the pure effect of COVID on the public, we actually have none.

Sure...some of it was people saying, I'm going to change my behavior. However, the vast majority was undoubtedly MSM sa ...[text shortened]... or everyone is going to die....here is the tally" ( a historical first of a communicable diseases ).

Your claim was that "lockdowns" were responsible for the supposed collateral effects in your post. "Lockdowns" is a term used to describe government mandated social distancing and other measures meant to reduce the spread of the contagious disease.

Now this post says it was all account of media hysteria.

Which is it?

@mott-the-hoople said
the govt link I provided shoes a -23% decline for Florida.


the link you gave gets its info from the official govt website that I posted. The last update for the govt website was 4/13/21. Anything other is projects, not official. Your link states this. https://www.worldometers.info/about/


“ For the COVID-19 data, we collect data from official reports, ...[text shortened]... and projections provided by the most reputable organizations and statistical offices in the world.”

The WM data is compiled from the daily reports from Florida counties given here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

@no1marauder said
Your claim was that "lockdowns" were responsible for the supposed collateral effects in your post. "Lockdowns" is a term used to describe government mandated social distancing and other measures meant to reduce the spread of the contagious disease.

Now this post says it was all account of media hysteria.

Which is it?

Its a co-op.

The MSM is instrumental in selling the justification for the lockdown.

@no1marauder said
The WM data is compiled from the daily reports from Florida counties given here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

I showed how they obtain their data, and how they formulate their findings.

What part of that are you confused about?

@no1marauder said
I prefer facts to "intuition".

Fine. Enjoy these facts.
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Friday, July 17th 2020
Calls to suicide hotlines rise during COVID-19 pandemic

A study released by Pine Rest Christian Mental Health Services in June 2020 showed calls to suicide hotlines are up 47% nationwide during the COVID-19 pandemic with some crisis lines experiencing a 300% increase.

https://wwmt.com/news/local/calls-to-suicide-hotlines-rise-during-covid-19-pandemic
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A crisis mental-health hotline has seen an 891% spike in calls
Amanda Jackson
By Amanda Jackson, CNN

Updated 7:51 AM ET, Fri April 10, 2020

(CNN)People all over the nation are trying to cope with the new normal of life during a pandemic. Many are dealing with health issues, unemployment, grief and facing uncertainty what the future holds.

The Disaster Distress Helpline, a federal crisis hotline, has seen a huge spike in calls of people seeking help recently. The national helpline, ran by the at the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), provides counseling for people facing emotional distress during times of natural and human-caused disasters.
In March, the helpline saw a 338% increase in call volume compared with February, according to spokesperson with the agency. And compared to last year for the month of March, they had an 891% increase of calls.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/us/disaster-hotline-call-increase-wellness-trnd/index.html
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NEWS
Calls to suicide and crisis hotlines increase during pandemic


By Patrice Clark | September 15, 2020 at 7:12 PM CDT - Updated September 15 at 8:34 PM

JACKSON, Miss. (WLBT) - September is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month and calls for help for mental health assistance are rising at record levels.

“It is extremely serious. It is ending your own life.”

Sitaniel Wimbley is the executive director National Alliance on Mental Illness here in Mississippi.

She says calls for help are up by 75 percent since the pandemic started. She is not surprised.

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/09/15/calls-suicide-crisis-hotlines-increase-during-pandemic/
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Guess what No1.... I'm not buying your "facts". Go fish.

@kevcvs57 said
No your right except all of it is true.
Remember the Wolverines they were the extreme end of non lockdown compliance in Michigan.
So please don’t hold up Michigan as evidence of lockdown not working when it really epitomises the reality of the rejection of lockdown by a large chunk of the population.

I live in Michigan you dork. You cannot get away with bluffing a Michigander. Stop lying.

@metal-brain said
I live in Michigan you dork. You cannot get away with bluffing a Michigander. Stop lying.

Your the liar you dork we know you live in St Petersburg so shut up Ivan unless you want to lie some more and tell me what aspect of my post was a lie.

@metal-brain said
I live in Michigan you dork. You cannot get away with bluffing a Michigander. Stop lying.

lol it’s just occurred to me that you are offering yourself as evidence that Michigan is not the home of covid deniers and anti lockdown types 😂😂

@earl-of-trumps said
Fine. Enjoy these facts.
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Friday, July 17th 2020
Calls to suicide hotlines rise during COVID-19 pandemic[i]

A study released by Pine Rest Christian Mental Health Services in June 2020 showed calls to suicide hotlines are up 47% nationwide during the COVID-19 pandemic with some crisis lines experiencing a 300% in ...[text shortened]... --------------------------------------


Guess what No1.... I'm not buying your "facts". Go fish.

@No1Marauder,

Go back up four posts to see this original post that beggars a response from you.

This is, after all, your thread.

@earl-of-trumps said
@No1Marauder,

Go back up four posts to see this original post that beggars a response from you.

This is, after all, your thread.

Why should I waste my time?

The suicide numbers from the CDC are a better indicator of actual suicides than calls to suicide hotlines.

@no1marauder said
Why should I waste my time?

The suicide numbers from the CDC are a better indicator of actual suicides than calls to suicide hotlines.

you run a crappy thread.